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Trevor Deely case - new witness

tdf7187

There was a previous lengthy thread on the case but it was locked for review and has yet to be reopened.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-witness-backs-up-gardas-theory-that-deely-killed-in-row-with-gang-38755889.html

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[Deleted User]

andekwarhola wrote: »

I'm sure it's not impossible that some nutters would ask such a thing of a complete stranger, was just surprised to hear anybody admitting it.

I'd ask that question if I was stuck out in the rain on that night in the year 2000, it's not that uncommon or at least was not that uncommon, and I'm not a nutter.

andekwarhola

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So firstly Trevor does not seem drunk, even though he has been drinking. There is plenty of video evidence to show that he is fairly steay on his feet at the time.

Secondly the MIB may be drunk or may have been drinking and thus does not notice Trevor's state as much as a fully sober person would.

And thirdly as already pointed out, taxi strike.

I'm sure it's not impossible that some nutters would ask such a thing of a complete stranger, was just surprised to hear anybody admitting it.

[Deleted User]

andekwarhola wrote: »

People here are saying they'd ask a drunk stranger on the street for a lift at 4am? Wtf.:D

So firstly Trevor does not seem drunk, even though he has been drinking. There is plenty of video evidence to show that he is fairly steay on his feet at the time.

Secondly the MIB may be drunk or may have been drinking and thus does not notice Trevor's state as much as a fully sober person would.

And thirdly as already pointed out, taxi strike.

andekwarhola

tdf7187 wrote: »

Taxi strike.

So?

tdf7187

andekwarhola wrote: »

People here are saying they'd ask a drunk stranger on the street for a lift at 4am? Wtf.:D

Taxi strike. Plus, Leeson Street back then was Circus Maximus.

andekwarhola

People here are saying they'd ask a drunk stranger on the street for a lift at 4am? Wtf.:D

[Deleted User]

BDI wrote: »

Lads there so much creative writing going on here but it’s really bad stuff. We don’t know how the man in black feels, we don’t get a sense of the security guard, who is he, what motivates him,

Is the man in black married, is the security guard just one day from retirement

Basically what I’m trying to say is what is the story with people making up bad fan fiction here. It like some sort titalation going on. It’s a local murder case not a hasbro board game.

Should really be ashamed of yourselves, some of you.

Except it's not a murder case

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Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

MIB is huddled waiting for the rain to ease up.

Trevor comes along, MIB hears him on phone talking to security, MIB thinks Trevor is getting his car. (and there is parking in there)

MIB asks Trevor if he is driving in a certain direction.

Trevor says no, MIB looks dejected.

Asks the colleagues a few minutes later the same, same answer.

MIB heads off.

Completely and utterly plausible and natural behavior.

I would have done it myself.

Trevor does not mention it to the guy in the office as it's completely inconsequential.
Colleagues may have recalled it but asking about a lift on the night of a taxi strike is such an obvious thing to do that the Gardai took little notice of it, i.e it was not the kind of breakthrough they were hoping for, it was just a guy looking for a lift.

Why he has not come forward ?

Never put two and two together at the time of the original appeal.
God knows where he is now.

That is a good possibility. It was something a bit personal he wanted, he would not look down like that if he was selling a lady and was refused as it is just business

Maybe he was up to something petty crime wise but nothing to do with Trevor. Maybe his wife kicked him out and he wanted to get home to his parents

BDI

Lads there so much creative writing going on here but it’s really bad stuff. We don’t know how the man in black feels, we don’t get a sense of the security guard, who is he, what motivates him,

Is the man in black married, is the security guard just one day from retirement

Basically what I’m trying to say is what is the story with people making up bad fan fiction here. It like some sort titalation going on. It’s a local murder case not a hasbro board game.

Should really be ashamed of yourselves, some of you.

[Deleted User]

tuxy wrote: »

I've done this, taken shelter in the hope that rain dies down. If it doesn't it will get to the point where I'm really knackered and just want my own bed so will head out into it again.

MIB is huddled waiting for the rain to ease up.

Trevor comes along, MIB hears him on phone talking to security, MIB thinks Trevor is getting his car. (and there is parking in there)

MIB asks Trevor if he is driving in a certain direction.

Trevor says no, MIB looks dejected.

Asks the colleagues a few minutes later the same, same answer.

MIB heads off.

Completely and utterly plausible and natural behavior.

I would have done it myself.

Trevor does not mention it to the guy in the office as it's completely inconsequential.
Colleagues may have recalled it but asking about a lift on the night of a taxi strike is such an obvious thing to do that the Gardai took little notice of it, i.e it was not the kind of breakthrough they were hoping for, it was just a guy looking for a lift.

Why he has not come forward ?

Never put two and two together at the time of the original appeal.
God knows where he is now.

tuxy

tdf7187 wrote: »

So shelters from the rain for 40 minutes but then decides - while it's still lashing as is apparent from the footage of Trevor alongside Milanos- sure I'll lead off now, I've had me shelter for the night.

I've done this, taken shelter in the hope that rain dies down. If it doesn't it will get to the point where I'm really knackered and just want my own bed so will head out into it again.

Raconteuse

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

He’s 30 minutes waiting before Trevor arrives but how long is he waiting at the gate around the corner after Trevor goes inside?

Think he overheard Trevor saying on his phone to security that he was coming in the side gate so the man got there first.

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sugarman wrote: »

Heres an even better image with people at the ATM

1900s? from look of the car

The Nal

Lina Limited Workaholic wrote: »

By Baggot St side you mean where the woman in striped shirt is walking?

Yeah, always thought there was a machine there at some stage.

Edit: scrap that, I'm an idiot. Im thinking of the Ulster Bank in Ballsbridge.

In my defence I've never taken money from either sober.

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The Nal wrote: »

Ah ok, did they move it after that? I defo remember taking money from an ATM on the Baggot St side of the building before.

By Baggot St side you mean where the woman in striped shirt is walking?

The Nal

sugarman wrote: »

No, KellyKelly is right. It was on the Haddington Road side where the ATM was.

Here an old image from before it change over to Milanos. The CCTV Camera he was last recorded on is seen to the right ..and you can just about see the boarded up ATM.

Ah ok, did they move it after that? I defo remember taking money from an ATM on the Baggot St side of the building before.

The Nal

Lina Limited Workaholic wrote: »

Am I right the ATM he was last seen at is where Milanos is now , just after Haddington Road intersection with Northumberland Road

It was on the Baggot St side of the building

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Am I right the ATM he was last seen at is where Milanos is now , just after Haddington Road intersection with Northumberland Road

[Deleted User]

sugarman wrote: »

Where are you seeing that? The last imagines of him is standing at the gate next to Trevor's Colleague.

Oh it's been covered somewhere before, I can't remember but the question is often asked "which direction did the man at BOIAM go ?" And the answer apparently is "across the street and out of sight".

If we knew which direction he left BOIAM then it would be part of the story at this stage.

tdf7187

So shelters from the rain for 40 minutes but then decides - while it's still lashing as is apparent from the footage of Trevor alongside Milanos- sure I'll lead off now, I've had me shelter for the night.

[Deleted User]

sugarman wrote: »

It unknown.

We just know he was still there 3 minutes later when Trevors Colleagues turned up due to the footage on the TV3 documentary. That was at 3:37:39AM.

The next clip we have is Trevor existing at 4:02:00AM. So some time in those 25mins.

And he walks across the street out of view so there is no indication of which way he went.

EmmetSpiceland

tdf7187 wrote: »

In the region of 30 minutes. If you look at the video you will see the time change. That's part of the reason why his behaviour is viewed as odd. Strange place to wait to bum a ciggie off someone. If he was begging, similarly, plenty of areas with better street traffic than there. Grafton Street for example. Sheltering from the rain is a non-sinister possibility I guess. He could have asked just asked Trevor to borrow an umbrella, Trevor might have brushed him off not knowing who he was. But if he is also MIB2, that wouldn't look good.

He’s 30 minutes waiting before Trevor arrives but how long is he waiting at the gate around the corner after Trevor goes inside?

tdf7187

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Does anyone know how long the MIB waited at the gate? I still find it odd that the Gardaí don’t mention the length of time this guy was hanging around, just that he appears to have had a brief chat with TD.

In the region of 30 minutes. If you look at the video you will see the time change. That's part of the reason why his behaviour is viewed as odd. Strange place to wait to bum a ciggie off someone. If he was begging, similarly, plenty of areas with better street traffic than there. Grafton Street for example. Sheltering from the rain is a non-sinister possibility I guess. He could have asked just asked Trevor to borrow an umbrella, Trevor might have brushed him off not knowing who he was. But if he is also MIB2, that wouldn't look good.

KWAG2019

Posters are running into the limits of their role and getting frustrated. It might be helpful if everyone recognized that the police do what they do for their own operational reasons which are none of my business.

There is no alternative to hoping the police have useful information that goes further than what the public know, keeping the disappearance of TD active in peoples minds in early Dec and waiting for this “very significant” witness to deliver something concrete.

Assetbacked

The few days immediately after the disappearance where there was no focus from the authorities are unfortunately the reason this case is unlikely to ever be solved. The umbrella and any other evidence were likely destroyed as part of a clean up in advance of the US president's visit. It would also have given time to deal with the body if it was a murder.

There does also appear to be a lack of information being put out by Gardaí despite the fact they are appealing for assistance. For example, the informant last year who had a guilty conscience, who was he and why should he have been treated credibly for the particular disappearance of Trevor? This was never disclosed or at least I could never find out information other than he was a criminal in the drugs and other illicit trades at the time.

noodler

20Wheel wrote: »

Back to reddit so.

Noodler you're a coward. Adios.

It's where you belong tbf.

Raconteuse

smelly sock wrote: »

I walked by a guy earlier on the phone. Don't think that call was about me.

Don't be silly.

Also, why don't people just write Trevor? TD keeps making me think they're talking about a TD.

Hector Savage

Have to say, it's been pointed out before, any reason anyone is in that area at that time of night, especially on a wet windy night is up to something shifty ... also taking a detour ???

[Deleted User]

dubstarr wrote: »

Read it again.What are the chances both men who are similar having some interaction with TD.

But other than being males of the same general build wearing dark clothes on a winter's night how similar are they ?

The chances of interacting or being in the same street as two males of similar build wearing dark coats on a winter's night is huge.

EmmetSpiceland

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

He talks to Trevor alright, but he also talks to Trevor's colleagues.

Trevor seems to be the reason for his moving, maybe he is a pimp and on the look out for night shift office workers for “business”.

Maybe that’s why he has that dejected look when he turns away after the brief interaction with TD. Then again, he could just be trying to bum a smoke.

Did he talk to the other colleagues? From the footage it’s hard to tell, maybe just a hello. They might think he’s waiting for someone inside to come out so don’t take any notice.

Does anyone know how long the MIB waited at the gate? I still find it odd that the Gardaí don’t mention the length of time this guy was hanging around, just that he appears to have had a brief chat with TD.