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Trevor Deely case - new witness

tdf7187

There was a previous lengthy thread on the case but it was locked for review and has yet to be reopened.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-witness-backs-up-gardas-theory-that-deely-killed-in-row-with-gang-38755889.html

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[Deleted User]

smelly sock wrote: »

I think it should be closed. There really is no thread without speculation.

I agree
This thread is a constant rehash of theories about his work, criminals, people asking why did so and so not notice such and such, etc etc.

TwoMonthsOff

Augeo wrote: »

I didn't get the opportunity to tune in. Was it in reference to the media speculation or the speculation on forums etc?

Both, media reports and online speculation. She also said the dig in Chapelizod had nothing at all to do with Trevor.

[Deleted User]

John_Rambo wrote: »

Trevor's sister, Michelle will be on Newstalk this morning to talk about the ridiculous speculation regarding her brothers disappearance. ......

I didn't get the opportunity to tune in. Was it in reference to the media speculation or the speculation on forums etc?

smelly sock

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It doesn’t even have to be closed, just end all the speculation.

I think it should be closed. There really is no thread without speculation.

EmmetSpiceland

zapper55 wrote: »

Mods can this thread be closed? If the interview with his sister does anything it shows the distress that these highly speculative threads have on the Deely family.

It doesn’t even have to be closed, just end all the speculation.

zapper55

Mods can this thread be closed? If the interview with his sister does anything it shows the distress that these highly speculative threads have on the Deely family.

smelly sock

John_Rambo wrote: »

Trevor's sister, Michelle will be on Newstalk this morning to talk about the ridiculous speculation regarding her brothers disappearance.

If it wasn't such a tragic subject some of the theories on this thread would be hilarious. They're just moronic.

Some of them are off the wall stuff to be fair.

I reckon mods should shut this down altogether and ban any future threads on Trevor.

It's unfortunate that due to the circumstances of TD's disappearance there will always be an element of what happened and speculation. Nothing else can be expected.

[Deleted User]

John_Rambo wrote: »

Trevor's sister, Michelle will be on Newstalk this morning to talk about the ridiculous speculation regarding her brothers disappearance.

If it wasn't such a tragic subject some of the theories on this thread would be hilarious. They're just moronic.

thanks.

She'll be on now after this break.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Garda must have a lot more info than we do.

That would be the situation 99.9% of the time in any given case.

[Deleted User]

The Garda must have a lot more info than we do. They must have some reason to believe this chance encounter actually took place.

John_Rambo

Trevor's sister, Michelle will be on Newstalk this morning to talk about the ridiculous speculation regarding her brothers disappearance.

If it wasn't such a tragic subject some of the theories on this thread would be hilarious. They're just moronic.

Field east

tdf7187 wrote: »

Oh yes, absolutely. I worked in an office on Waterloo Road in the 1990s and it was by no means unusual to see prostitutes on the street, not even particularly late, sometimes as early as six or seven in the evening. Waterloo Road/Burlington Road/Fitzwilliam Square was a red light district at night back then. I know it seems odd given it is as you say a posh area but that's what it was like.

Even as recently as 2014 still was if this article is correct:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/midnight-on-baggot-street-every-girl-in-the-sex-trade-has-a-story-but-men-never-ask-30567428.html

Fitzwilliam Place also - at least during the early seventies

tomwaits48

andekwarhola wrote: »

What is it about these threads (and the gangland ones) that eventually boil down to a handful of people with a Columbo hard on, bickering about their mad theories.

the general true crime podcast explosion probably to blame for me

andekwarhola

political analyst wrote: »

If he had come across something wrong with a customer's account at work then he would have told colleagues or the authorities about it quickly and so his murder would not have prevented the truth of whatever he found from emerging.

What is it about these threads (and the gangland ones) that eventually boil down to a handful of people with a Columbo hard on, bickering with each other about their mad theories.

[Deleted User]

political analyst wrote: »

If he had come across something wrong with a customer's account at work then he would have told colleagues or the authorities about it quickly and so his murder would not have prevented the truth of whatever he found from emerging.

He was a junior IT worker though. He wouldn’t have even been accessing accounts.

dubstarr

I just hope who this new witness is,brings closure.

smelly sock

political analyst wrote: »

No gangland criminal would have known who Trevor was. So why murder him?

Chance run in

soiseztomabel

tuxy wrote: »

Maybe he saw or knew something he shouldn't. The garda must have some lead to suspect it.
People in organised crime gangs are one of the few that have the know how on how to make a body disappear.

Chances are if he did come across something he shouldn’t he would’ve told his workmate when he popped back in to BOIAM.

If it was something from a sinister context I imagine it was just down to bad luck and nothing as exciting as people believe.

Alliance123

political analyst wrote: »

If he had come across something wrong with a customer's account at work then he would have told colleagues or the authorities about it quickly and so his murder would not have prevented the truth of whatever he found from emerging.

Him missing wont have anything to do with his job. If it did the case would be a lot easier to solve

political analyst

tuxy wrote: »

Maybe he saw or knew something he shouldn't. The garda must have some lead to suspect it.
People in organised crime gangs are one of the few that have the know how on how to make a body disappear.

If he had come across something wrong with a customer's account at work then he would have told colleagues or the authorities about it quickly and so his murder would not have prevented the truth of whatever he found from emerging.

tuxy

political analyst wrote: »

No gangland criminal would have known who Trevor was. So why murder him?

Maybe he saw or knew something he shouldn't. The garda must have some lead to suspect it.
People in organised crime gangs are one of the few that have the know how on how to make a body disappear.

political analyst

No gangland criminal would have known who Trevor was. So why murder him?

dubstarr

eviltwin wrote: »

I have. I work in a 24hr service, there are always people there. I've often gone in after a night out for a cuppa and some food.

I workedin a 24 hour Tesco,it wasnt unheard of for staff to go back.Buy food and talk to the staff

smelly sock

sugarman wrote: »

He didn't, it was at Harcourt st when they were at Coppers at 6pm or there abouts. It was supposedly for a bottle of champagne.

So he didnt go to an ATM at all after bucks. Ok. Thought i read he did.

noodler

I worked in a well known video shop type place in the early 00s.

The CCTV tapes (like most tapes) were a max of 180 minutes. So the 8X setting was always on, hence playback always appears faster.

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noodler wrote: »

The normal speed point has been addressed throughout the thread in fairness.

CCTV VHS were typically recorded at 2X, 4X, etc to save on tape space.

This means less frames per second.

Surely, someone else can shed light on this? The footage isn't being "sped up" it's as the system recorded.it

i have it downloaded and it says 25fps* but the man still walks fast. TD is well staggering too i think .zig zag four steps

*means nothing i expext

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smelly sock wrote: »

Thiis was an older article. Will try find it.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/woman-centre-search-missing-trevor-13504815

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noodler

Ohmeha wrote: »

I really would have love to have seen the full normal speed CCTV footage from outside the BOI building, it always looks to me MIB is chatting on a mobile 10+ seconds before Trevor appears but then it took 10 seconds for Trevor to walk a very short distance (alcohol obviously may have explained that)

I trust Gardai have better info on all his disappearance than any of us but surely after 19 years every minor detail on his disappearance including full normal speed CCTV should be released by now

The normal speed point has been addressed throughout the thread in fairness.

CCTV VHS were typically recorded at 2X, 4X, etc to save on tape space.

This means less frames per second.

Surely, someone else can shed light on this? The footage isn't being "sped up" it's as the system recorded.it

smelly sock

Ah ok i see. Yes i get it and can see the connection from a little googling. Any know why TD withdrew money from an ATM at that hour of the morning??

20Wheel

smelly sock wrote: »

According to the aritcles from Garda sources they believe this was a chance run in / encounter. Not premeditated. They also say a woman is at the centre of the probe who is known to AGS and has links to a crime gang. What in earth could she have been doing in that part of dublin at that time of night.

Believe. They also said MIB was a key part of their investigation and that he should contact them. Could that be because his behaviour was dodgy as all fck.

He still hasn't been in contact, after all these years. Last person seen with a missing man. (going by UK analysts opinion of Milanos footage). Fence gawking at 3/4 am, only on the night of a possible crime of course. No trace since.

Maybe the woman in question is an associate of local criminals.
I.e MIB.