Trevor Deely case - new witness

My understanding (and it may be totally wrong) with he old VHS recordings was that you could record at speeds of 2x, 4x etc to save space on the tape.

But that this meant you were skipping frames (i.e. you can't slow it down if it was set to record X frames per second because that's all that was available).

20Wheel wrote: »

Milanos is the bridge footage. The second clip.

i was wondering about slowing it down alright

Lina Limited Workaholic wrote: »

what is that?

Milanos is the bridge footage. The second clip.

soiseztomabel wrote: »

The girl in the footage and partner were ruled out, they were 1 minute or so behind whoever was behind TD. When questioned they said they say noting suspicious.

Has anyone ever slowed down the Milanos footage?

I always thought that the car that passes TD appears to pull in just ahead of him, but it could of course just be the awful quality of the cctv

what is that?

Day Lewin

I looked at the CCTV last year, haven't reviewed it.
There was this slight figure, not far behind TD, walking along the footpath, quite lightly clad considering the weather.
Not the couple - they came forward and were ruled out.; this was a tall slim person walking alone.

soiseztomabel

Day Lewin wrote: »

If I may return to another unanswered question...
that dear old detective cliché, cherchez la femme.

There was a girl or young woman - a skinny figure anyway - among the passersby caught on CCTV and she, too, has never been identified and never come forward.

I read somewhere that Trevor Deely chatted with a girl at the nightclub (as one naturally would, of course, and I'm not saying there was anything odd about that)

But I've always wondered if there was any connection between the CCTV-girl and the Man in Black. It was very damn late to be walking home alone!!

The girl in the footage and partner were ruled out, they were 1 minute or so behind whoever was behind TD. When questioned they said they say noting suspicious.

Has anyone ever slowed down the Milanos footage?

I always thought that the car that passes TD appears to pull in just ahead of him, but it could of course just be the awful quality of the cctv

Day Lewin wrote: »

If I may return to another unanswered question...
that dear old detective cliché, cherchez la femme.

There was a girl or young woman - a skinny figure anyway - among the passersby caught on CCTV and she, too, has never been identified and never come forward.

I read somewhere that Trevor Deely chatted with a girl at the nightclub (as one naturally would, of course, and I'm not saying there was anything odd about that)

But I've always wondered if there was any connection between the CCTV-girl and the Man in Black. It was very damn late to be walking home alone!!

Where's this?

Can't actually find the original footage to see how bad it was.

If the experts could only get, let's say 2 or 3, matching points. Something like height, shoulder width, forearm length or whatever. Then at the least it's suggestive.

Nobody knows for certain what happened. Everything is low resolution in the whole incident.

But if we can look at the blur and pick out consistencies in what little is available we can at least take an educated guess.

Experts are quoted in the times as saying bridge man is gate man. It fits with other vague details to vaguely look like a planned attack.

What clearer alternatives are there? All I can make out from this fog is a planned attack of some kind.
Forgive me that's the best I can do.

Apparently, they could only be 100% it was TD on HR because of the enhanced footage (clear it was an ACC umbrella etc)

smelly sock wrote: »

It was brutal

amazing they cannot do more with it these days

wyrn

Muahahaha wrote: »

Thanks for posting as I wasnt sure where BOIAM was located. But wasnt the section between 1 and 2 that the CCTV time stamps said it took Trevor something like 12 minutes to walk? The distance is only about 400 metres which most people would cover in about 5-6 minutes.

He might have stopped when he called his friend during this time. I know it was a short voicemail https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/trevor-deely-the-search-ends-and-continues-1.3230396

That man was not in CCTV range when Deely emerged at 4.02am, when he left his umbrella down before buttoning up his coat, and walking away. At 4.06am, Deely made a phone call to his closest friend, Glen Cullen, who did not hear the phone ringing, as it was charging downstairs.
He left a voicemail, which Cullen deleted the following morning. “It said, ‘Hi Glen, I’ve missed you there. Just on my way home, all going good. I’ll talk to you tomorrow.’

smelly sock

Lina Limited Workaholic wrote: »

if that is enhanced the original must ave been so bad as to waste time having it at all

It was brutal

20Wheel wrote: »

"When the video of the enhanced footage was released in April, gardaí stated that they were satisfied that this man was the same person who was standing outside Deely’s office earlier, and who had spoken to him"

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/trevor-deely-the-search-ends-and-continues-1.3230396?mode=amp

If, and yes its only an if, but if there was more footage of that strange fcker hanging around waiting for TD to come out and then going after him then it would be barely questionable that a planned attack took place.

if that is enhanced the original must ave been so bad as to waste time having it at all

Muahahaha

oneilla wrote: »

1. is where his job was - the CCTV gate footage

2. is where the Haddington Rd ATM CCTV footage is from

3. is where his apartment was

Baggot St bridge crosses the canal between 1 & 2

Thanks for posting as I wasnt sure where BOIAM was located. But wasnt the section between 1 and 2 that the CCTV time stamps said it took Trevor something like 12 minutes to walk? The distance is only about 400 metres which most people would cover in about 5-6 minutes.

smelly sock wrote: »

How were they though. Granted we're not trained detectives but we have the images they have. It could be the same person. Again, it might not be the same fella.

Was cctv check out from the surrounding areas checked also? Probably to late by the time they noticed him missing. I wouldnt be ruling out less sinister outcomes either.

Find another theory with as much supporting circumstantial evidence.

wyrn wrote: »

The man in black, was he walking along and randomly stopped at that pillar and what happened to him in the time that Trevor was inside. He he stay there and when did he move off and what direction. I'm guessing he left after Trevor and went the same route if the Guards are pretty certain that he's the same guy in the other (speed up) footage.

All is known is he was there a half hour before T arrived

smelly sock wrote: »

How were they though. Granted we're not trained detectives but we have the images they have. It could be the same person. Again, it might not be the same fella.

Was cctv check out from the surrounding areas checked also? Probably to late by the time they noticed him missing. I wouldnt be ruling out less sinister outcomes either.

We have no ****ing clue on the software that would be used to measure this stuff.

I sincerely doubt they did it by eye

smelly sock

20Wheel wrote: »

"When the video of the enhanced footage was released in April, gardaí stated that they were satisfied that this man was the same person who was standing outside Deely’s office earlier, and who had spoken to him"

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/trevor-deely-the-search-ends-and-continues-1.3230396?mode=amp

How were they though. Granted we're not trained detectives but we have the images they have. It could be the same person. Again, it might not be the same fella.

Was cctv check out from the surrounding areas checked also? Probably to late by the time they noticed him missing. I wouldnt be ruling out less sinister outcomes either.

Fiftyfilthy

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

When the enhanced CCTV footage was released a few years ago the Gardai said that they could be the same man.
But all they are going on is the general height, build etc.
And the fact that MIB nor the man following TD on Haddington Rd could be found.

It's far from conclusive.

Specialists from the uk all but did 2 years ago

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

When the enhanced CCTV footage was released a few years ago the Gardai said that they could be the same man.
But all they are going on is the general height, build etc.
And the fact that MIB nor the man following TD on Haddington Rd could be found.

It's far from conclusive.

"When the video of the enhanced footage was released in April, gardaí stated that they were satisfied that this man was the same person who was standing outside Deely’s office earlier, and who had spoken to him"

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/trevor-deely-the-search-ends-and-continues-1.3230396?mode=amp

If, and yes its only an if, but if there was more footage of that strange fcker hanging around waiting for TD to come out and then going after him then it would be barely questionable that a planned attack took place.

Day Lewin wrote: »

Straight down Pembnroke Rd, past the hotel and the RDS, onwards a wee bit, turn left.

Every other route is more wind-y and takes longer.

I went to school very near there and I lived on Waterloo Rd for a while.
Somewhat before Trevor's day but the area really hasn't changed that much.
I know that district really well.
Yes, always the "professional" ladies and the potential customers ("Doing business, luv?") but also generally a bit of Garda presence too, keeping a discreet eye.

It would make no sense to take any other route.

see that now thanks i think i read his work place is different now? are the gates still there? or even the bank

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20Wheel wrote: »

I can only imagine if the unreleased segments of the CCTV had footage of MIB returning to his pillar watching out towards the direction of the gate, and moving off at a time aligned with TDs departure in the same direction.

If that were the case then wrap it up, there's no mystery.

But... no such proof available either way. So, nothing to do.

There's the quote in the news that the MIB at the corner and the man going in the same direction as Trevor at the bridge are the same individual.

So one can imagine this may not be far from what happened.

When the enhanced CCTV footage was released a few years ago the Gardai said that they could be the same man.
But all they are going on is the general height, build etc.
And the fact that MIB nor the man following TD on Haddington Rd could be found.

It's far from conclusive.