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Trevor Deely case - new witness

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There was a previous lengthy thread on the case but it was locked for review and has yet to be reopened.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-witness-backs-up-gardas-theory-that-deely-killed-in-row-with-gang-38755889.html

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wyrn

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But what do you think they are holding back and why ?

The man in black, was he walking along and randomly stopped at that pillar and what happened to him in the time that Trevor was inside. He he stay there and when did he move off and what direction. I'm guessing he left after Trevor and went the same route if the Guards are pretty certain that he's the same guy in the other (speed up) footage.

Beechwoodspark

This video from the journal ie is decent for setting out the timeline and it also includes the footage from the entrance to the bank

https://youtu.be/JbeP98uJBK0

TomSweeney

Any more on this new witness ? what have they said if anything ?

smelly sock

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But what do you think they are holding back and why ?

Is there more cctv??

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20Wheel wrote: »

Gardai should just release full CCTV at this stage. After this long there's only potential gains to make.

(Within reason. Blur anything that might need to be)

But what do you think they are holding back and why ?

20Wheel

smelly sock wrote: »

Could be other reasons too. Who knows.

Not us, and so we can't do much.

smelly sock

20Wheel wrote: »

Then what's to lose.

Could be other reasons too. Who knows.

20Wheel

smelly sock wrote: »

You would imagine if they are holding something back its not of benefit or relevant.

Then what's to lose.

smelly sock

20Wheel wrote: »

Gardai should just release full CCTV at this stage. After this long there's only potential gains to make.

(Within reason. Blur anything that might need to be)

You would imagine if they are holding something back its not of benefit or relevant.

20Wheel

Gardai should just release full CCTV at this stage. After this long there's only potential gains to make.

(Within reason. Blur anything that might need to be)

smelly sock

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The last thread descended into a mess.
People speculating that Trevor was buying drugs, paying for sex, involved in criminal activity based on his work, found out about criminal activity because of his work and we as taken out by higher up because he was going to be a whistleblower, taken out by the girl in Alaska's family because he visited when he was not invited.

All based on people's wild imaginations.

If I were a family member I'd be disturbed by some of the s**t spouted on it too.

Well ok. Fair enough. Obviously you can see and understand why they would be hurt. Maybe we should just accept he went missing and forget about it.

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tara73 wrote: »

I ask myself this too. Basically it's the same stuff being written and speculated about like 2 years ago. It's just a question of time theories becoming very personal regarding TD and therefore hurtful to the family. why wait for this to happen...??

The last thread descended into a mess.
People speculating that Trevor was buying drugs, paying for sex, involved in criminal activity based on his work, found out about criminal activity because of his work and we as taken out by higher up because he was going to be a whistleblower, taken out by the girl in Alaska's family because he visited when he was not invited.

All based on people's wild imaginations.

If I were a family member I'd be disturbed by some of the s**t spouted on it too.

Letwin_Larry

then there was the case of that lad being knifed on Waterloo Road. some idiot rushed out of his house and stabbed the guy. convicted of manslaughter, but should have got life imo.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-jailed-over-fatal-stabbing-on-waterloo-road-1.1275192

oneilla

mrslancaster wrote: »

It must be so sad for his family to have no answers after all these years. There was a link posted earlier to a youtube video that showed three men standing outside the gate and looking in after TD had gone inside. Didn't see it before, its at 19.28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6GUgJ4y0E
Hope the gardai get some information to help his family.

Two of the three were colleagues one of whom stopped by the office to collect a bag.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2017/04/18/enhanced-confusion/

On April 7, Crimestoppers launched a renewed appeal for missing Trevor Deely.

“Forensically-enhanced’ CCTV footage was released showing a man standing outside the back entrance of Trevor’s work that Gardai now wished to question.

Some of the footage, however, had been used previously in a 2015 TV3 documentary and, in one screen grab, a second man (not Trevor) can be seen next to the person of interest.

Filmmakers David Lester Mooney and Mark Kilbride, having discovered this anomaly, then spotted a third person in another image (top).

This afternoon, David and Mark were contacted by a Garda officer who stated that these two new figures have “previously been identified” as Trevor’s work colleagues.

20Wheel

There are many unlit alcoves in this area.

If this is the right word. Alcoves.

smelly sock

Day Lewin wrote: »

Straight down Pembnroke Rd, past the hotel and the RDS, onwards a wee bit, turn left.

Every other route is more wind-y and takes longer.

I went to school very near there and I lived on Waterloo Rd for a while.
Somewhat before Trevor's day but the area really hasn't changed that much.
I know that district really well.
Yes, always the "professional" ladies and the potential customers ("Doing business, luv?") but also generally a bit of Garda presence too, keeping a discreet eye.

It would make no sense to take any other route.

A fairly seedy under current. Unlit lanes and id argue the AGS presence is sparse enough.

Day Lewin

Lina Limited Workaholic wrote: »

what would you guys that know the area consider the best route from baggot st bridge to his flat?

Straight down Pembnroke Rd, past the hotel and the RDS, onwards a wee bit, turn left.

Every other route is more wind-y and takes longer.

I went to school very near there and I lived on Waterloo Rd for a while.
Somewhat before Trevor's day but the area really hasn't changed that much.
I know that district really well.
Yes, always the "professional" ladies and the potential customers ("Doing business, luv?") but also generally a bit of Garda presence too, keeping a discreet eye.

It would make no sense to take any other route.

Letwin_Larry

an argument could easily take place, if say he was propositioned by a "working girl" and told her he was not interested. if said lady took offence or somehow felt her reputation had been impuned and/or felt a deep sense of rejection. wouldn't take much for it to escalate, especially if said lady's minder was close at hand.

actually a friend of mine from my college days had exactly that experience on his way home from work in NYC. he was chased by a group of "working girls" and was lucky not to have been knifed.

i worked in that area through the '90s and prostitution was always there. there's a street/alley there and we would joke "it aint called Lad Lane for nothing".

mrslancaster

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

It’s the annual anniversary which in turn becomes the annual appeal

Maybe there is a new witness but it’s more to appeal to the public

Threads like this are a positive ,once modded respectfully. People well may be asking the same questions but there’s a small chance someone could read this thread and something triggers. It’s a very small possibility but at this stage anything is worth a shot.

It must be so sad for his family to have no answers after all these years. There was a link posted earlier to a youtube video that showed three men standing outside the gate and looking in after TD had gone inside. Didn't see it before, its at 19.28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6GUgJ4y0E
Hope the gardai get some information to help his family.

Muahahaha

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I suppose we all have our own niggles about this case but your post is part of what niggles at me: assuming out of all the possibilities that there is some sort of violent confrontation why is it necessary to dispose of the remains?

I find it bizarre too but as others have said maybe the criminal gang were known by Gardai to be operating in the area and didnt want heat brought upon them. It does make sense because without a body it is a missing persons case rather than a murder investigation. I still find it strange especially if you believe that whatever happened was a one off encounter between Trevor and the gang and no planning or pre-meditation went into it.

I watched that Youtube Cold Case doc on it and the guy narrating said that the electricity in Trevors apartment had gone on the blink on the days leading up to the Xmas party and he had called in someone to fix it. Said that Gardai failed to investigate if it was just his apartment or the entire block. Has anyone read that info anywhere? Was certainly news to me.

80j2lc5y7u6qs9

what would you guys that know the area consider the best route from baggot st bridge to his flat?

tara73

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I don't agree in general that because things are hurtful or upsetting they can't be discussed but Boards is a private closed system and can largely do what it chooses to do.

I think so too, but I also think it can only go to a certain limit so I think it's very, very decent boards close threads or even delete some stuff if it gets out of hand or too insulting/speculative. Put yourself in the shoes of the close relatives of these missing people, do you want strangers on the internet assuming weird/nasty things about your missing son or daughter on the internet?

Also I mentioned earlier defamation. I think that's why boards have to be careful also what people post here and rightly so.

Fiftyfilthy

It’s the annual anniversary which in turn becomes the annual appeal

Maybe there is a new witness but it’s more to appeal to the public

Threads like this are a positive ,once modded respectfully. People well may be asking the same questions but there’s a small chance someone could read this thread and something triggers. It’s a very small possibility but at this stage anything is worth a shot.

oneilla

Lina Limited Workaholic wrote: »

i was trying to find a map to mark his route but could not get one with all the locations, baggot bridge is not shown on one. Prob not zoomed in enough Has anyone got one. I was trying to see all the locations in one map.

1. is where his job was - the CCTV gate footage

2. is where the Haddington Rd ATM CCTV footage is from

3. is where his apartment was

Baggot St bridge crosses the canal between 1 & 2

tara73

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

So why print about the new witness?

Everybody just stop wondering and forget about it then?

not at all. but do you just want to wonder and think about it or do you want this case to be solved? as I said previously, with such a stupid headline and article, nothing is gained!

if the guards are really behind this, why not doing it professionally and with respect regarding the family of TD and actually all people who care and would like this case to be resolved?

why not putting it up on TV, this series which show and explains crimes happened in Ireland and with this acvtively asking people to come forward and help the case. Same could be done in the newspapers.

And did AGS ever offer potential witnesses the possibility to go into the witness security programme? Never read it. Woud make much sense here I think...

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Lina Limited Workaholic wrote: »

i was trying to find a map to mark his route but could not get one with all the locations, baggot bridge is not shown on one. Prob not zoomed in enough Has anyone got one. I was trying to see all the locations in one map.

www.google.com

Select 'maps'

I know, I never heard of it either.

80j2lc5y7u6qs9

i was trying to find a map to mark his route but could not get one with all the locations, baggot bridge is not shown on one. Prob not zoomed in enough Has anyone got one. I was trying to see all the locations in one map.

KWAG2019

tara73 wrote: »

I ask myself this too. Basically it's the same stuff being written and speculated about like 2 years ago. It's just a question of time theories becoming very personal regarding TD and therefore hurtful to the family. why wait for this to happen...??

I think the thread is just one way among many being used to raise the issue again to public consciousness around the time of anniversary of disappearance. If it has accomplished that well and good and I wouldn't like to see posters get into trouble for their human curiosity about a mystery that their minds naturally try to find a coherent explanation for. I don't agree in general that because things are hurtful or upsetting they can't be discussed but Boards is a private closed system and can largely do what it chooses to do.

I'm going to wait and see if the latest "significant" announcement leads to anything. Tbh, I don't trust media and I don't think it will.

Fiftyfilthy

tara73 wrote: »

I ask myself this too. Basically it's the same stuff being written and speculated about like 2 years ago. It's just a question of time theories becoming very personal regarding TD and therefore hurtful to the family. why wait for this to happen...??

So why print about the new witness?

Everybody just stop wondering and forget about it then?

tara73

LLMMLL wrote: »

Why is this thread allowed continue when the family asked the previous thread be closed?

I ask myself this too. Basically it's the same stuff being written and speculated about like 2 years ago. It's just a question of time theories becoming very personal regarding TD and therefore hurtful to the family. why wait for this to happen...??