Better Than Christ wrote: » The rules are very strict over there. He's probably still classed as fit for work.
katiek102010 wrote: » Only source I can link but all UK media have it. His age is relevant as if he had turned 65 pre April he would have been able to retire
badabing106 wrote: » Reminds me of this elderly guy on living on the streets in that channel 4 documentary recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczGgfxqnYI
lawred2 wrote: » what's your point?
Ray Palmer wrote: » Well some of it is absolute nonsense and also not unique to the UK. We have practically the identical system here. The staff do not say if a person is fit to work a doctor does. The give a full assessment of a person's abilities such as ability to walk, pick up things, mental awareness etc.. then there is an education assessment. So if you spent your life as a brick layer and now can't lift anything they don't say the person is fit to work in an office doing admin work. They will say the person isn't fit for work at 64 due to retirement age. You can be deemed fit for work and still die of an illness. It is not the same as a clean bill of health
katiek102010 wrote: » In the UK anyone who apply for illness /disability has to apply and be assessed by a private contractor called ATOS. ATOS are admin staff not medical. They have the final say if you are for for work not a doctor or specialist. They are also paid commission for how much they save the government on an annual basis
katiek102010 wrote: » My point is this is just an example of people being forced to work even though they have serious health issues, at an age whereby they shough be retired and being refused disability or health benefits, by civil servants who ignore medical professionals
Scoundrel wrote: » The deceased reportedly suffered from diabetes and was clearly not well, but officials at the centre had nonetheless deemed him ‘fit for work.’ Heartless bastards maybe some of the posters here want to work till they die but most normal people would like a few years of retirement I dont think that's too much to ask from a first world country.
It is being widely reported that the man died after being declared fit to work. Websites are running quotes from an unnamed witness saying: "I didn't know him myself, but the man who was sat next to me told me that he had grown up with the guy. The man next to me told me that the poorly guy had diabetes and had been declared fit for work by the Job Centre earlier in the year, but he was obviously ill. The ambulance came, but he sadly died, and they had to take his body out of the Job Centre. It was awful."But a DWP source said reports the man had been declared fit to work were inaccurate and that he had been attending routine appointments for more than a year.
Harry Palmr wrote: » https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dwp-denies-man-who-died-17274929 So this appears to be a story based on hearsay
Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: » The real problem is that the old age pension and disability allowance is too much to sustain. We should bring in a gradual rate of pension payment at 65 instead of raising the age over and over. Many 65 year olds might not be capable of working a 40 hour week. But if some level of payment kicks in at 65 they can top up their income with a part time job. If I make it to to old age I can see the retirement age being over 70 if we don't come up with some compromised solution. There is enough money in the social welfare system, it's just not being targeted correctly.
silver2020 wrote: » Thankfully Ireland will never ever drop to the depths of the UK social welfare system. When you pay an extra couple fo cent here and there, or pay a little extra tax, think of all those you know that are getting a pension, those who are genuinely out of work, those who are too ill to work, parents who receive children's allowances etc. Yes, our system is generous and yes there are those who will take advantage. But if you are out of work, if you are long term ill, if you are on a state pension and if you have children, be thankful you live here and not in the UK. There are many families in the UK that cannot afford sanitary towels for their teenage children - that along is a disgusting statement and says a lot about how the UK cares for those less fortunate
There are many families in the UK that cannot afford sanitary towels for their teenage children - that along is a disgusting statement and says a lot about how the UK cares for those less fortunate
katiek102010 wrote: » People pay into their pensions they are entitled to draw them. It's the governments fault for not investing correctly
Raconteuse wrote: » What's the point being made? That being in the job centre caused him to die?
Idbatterim wrote: » yeah? think of all the hard working people f*cked, paying for it! Cant afford the basics themselves. But yeah, keep on supporting the welfare trap, the welfare state! A marginal tax rate of FIFTY percent over a pittance of an income, it will really encourage enterprise and commitment, keep the bright sparks here :rolleyes: But we have have an obscene welfare state, to keep the likes of margaret cash etc from leaving us :rolleyes: yeah? you know how cheap that stuff is over there? probably a few p! I bet the folks can afford takeaways and the essentials of sky tv and expensive mobile phones though! Throwing more money at people who are appalling with it, isnt the solution!
katiek102010 wrote: » Tbh I don't know if you are purposely looking for an argument or extremely ignorant. The majority of working families in the UK have about 40-50 quid a week to live on after putting a roof over their heads paying council tax, gas elec, water, and service charges. Childcare costs about 200 quid a week. It's absolutely wonderful to live it a little bubble of your own ideas Well done you
Idbatterim wrote: A bubble? LOL! I know many working people screwed, paying for this endless welfare state, those on it do nothing but bitch about it! dissapear off to non bailed our countries, like the uk, germany, see how much you get there. See you how much pisstaking and excuses their government and taxpayer deem acceptable over there!
Idbatterim wrote: » A bubble? LOL! I know many working people screwed, paying for this endless welfare state, those on it do nothing but bitch about it! dissapear off to non bailed our countries, like the uk, germany, see how much you get there. See you how much pisstaking and excuses their government and taxpayer deem acceptable over there! We have the over two hundred million welfare bonus coming up, bonanza for tesco, the bookies, jd sports and pubs etc. Couldnt possibly think of a better way for that money to be spent :rolleyes: I mean our infrastructure is class, very little debt, more than enough prison spaces to lock up scum! Hospitals are world class etc... Why not bump it up to five hundred million next year...
katiek102010 wrote: » So do you classify OAPs who have worked their entire lives and paid PRSi for 50+ years as welfare scroungers Is a mum dying of cancer or another terminal illness a welfare scrounger. Is a child born with a severe mental or physical disability a welfare scrounger. Is the parent /spouse who has to give up work to look after their seriously and possibly terminally ill family member a welfare scrounger. Can you please define
Wanderer78 wrote: » You do realise our bailouts went to largely French and German banks, yea?
c.p.w.g.w wrote: » My uncle lives in a fairly rough area in London...it's police station is 10 times bigger than the Limerick Garda Station and roughly 1/2 the population of Limerick city...his council tax £1500 roughly...£125 a month a top of your normal expenses
