jspuds wrote: » Instead of the Gigablue would you consider something like these?https://vboxcomm.com/android-tv-gateway/ orhttps://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/ Interested in opinions as I'm looking to get rid of Sky Q with two multi room boxes connected. Was thinking of something like this and running everything through Nvidia Shields. They should both connect with Plex and then record to a NAS.
jspuds wrote: » Looks like the vbox are quad tuners but get your point on Enigma v Android TV?
spaceHopper wrote: » I'd add high quality hdmi or fibre optic hdmi to the TV points, you want something that can send 4k hdmi. I'd also have HDMI return for audio to an av receiver. What Ethernet cable are you running, use high quality HDSET Cat 6 or better maybe cat 7. You want something that will carry power over ethernet It is much cheaper to install cable now that later, double up on it. Two Ethernet points in each room add a few around the house. Think about putting in wireless AP's or mesh network now and have a phone cable or BB cable to the outside. Is Virgin medai and SIRO in the are. Make provison for them now. The idea is you setup your own network including wireless. Then to switch you just unplug one and plug in the the other. Try to have a conduite from the AV cupboard to the outside and to each TV so you can run more cables when ever you want. I'd run 4 RG6 cables from where ever the Sat goes to av cupboard, you could use a unicable LNB but if it's not a good as you think or in the futre new tech comes along you are good you've got the cable. Thinks about sat to IP too
dubrov wrote: » I had considered distribution over the LAN but I just don't think it is ready yet. TVs are in general not compatible and those that do have a poor offering.
I could add a small box to each TV point running something like KODI but it would have to be something cheap. I think the result would be much poorer than an expensive dedicated SAT box (the Gigablue) or even a TV's own hardware.
THere is nothing precluding me easily adding this in at later stage anyway. My understanding is that the Gigablue has serves up all the same functions over the network anyway via an Android app or browser. I think there is even an m3u file so any IPTV client would work.
The CCTV is using Power over Ethernet (POE) cables all wired back to the AV centre. I had considered running my own server or using a good NAS but it was going to work out way more expensive. I ended up going for this . It won't have loads of functionality but should cover the basics alright. The Gigablue also has a HDMI in so I could link it to that.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » What do you think is not ready yet? What makes you think this is correct? Just the cost?
If you see no reason for HDMI cables, then with proper LAN cabling there is also no need for Coax cabling and tuners at each viewing point, automatically limiting the viewing point to where those Coax cables terminate. You appear to have a bit of a contradiction in thinking ..... but that is probably due to your thinking something is not yet ready for such a system as moving TV data across the Cat6 LAN.
That seems to be a reasonable price ..... are the cameras good? What is their max fps? Thanks.
I have been distributing live TV and stored media on the LAN for several years now. I did a retro fit in parts and tested with 6 clients displaying 1080 TV and all good. Normally only 4 would be used at one time, plus at times a friend in foreign parts wishing to watch some content not available to them. My client boxes are all in the €40/€60 range, and most can do 4K.
One thing that strikes me now ...... if you record something on one box, where will it save it? Will you have a central storage device so you can watch that content from any of the devices?
What ever system you decide to go for, I wish you well with it.
dubrov wrote: » What's the rationale for the 4k HDMI cables? I actually do have 2 HDMI cables in the spec running from the AV centre to the living room TV only. I added them in as I will also have CCTV and may want to view it on the living room TV. IT also adds the option to move the Gigablue box out to the AV centre and control it with a Logictech Harmony hub or similar. There are a few network points fed via CAt6 (2 to each TV point for redundancy) around the house so easy to add Wifi at a later stage. A Wifi mesh would be ggod but I am more likely to add a single Wifi access point upstairs in the short term due to budget onstraints. Virgin is best option available and the router will sit in the AV centre. I am not sure when to engage Virgin in the build though. I had thought about putting in 3 RG6 to each TV point but I figure it will soon be a dead technology anyway. If I use Unicable to the Gigablue and one legacy feed to each of the other TV points, I will have one spare cable for redundancy. I had actually considered going all SAT>IP but figured it seems a little too new. I also figure there would be some additional lag as the incoming satellite signal is encoded for distribution over IP. A split second channel change can become a one second channel change easily. I believe the Gigablue can serve up content over their app anyway. There is also an Enigma2 addon called minisatip which might run on it but I'd guess it is a bit flaky.
spaceHopper wrote: » We didn't put in HDMI, I went for Cat 6 and Coax, I regert it, I shouls have upspeced the cat 6 cable and added HDMI. A HDMI matrix is 1/4 the price of a good HDBSET matirx, you can put in the best hdmi calbe an still be miles ahead. Also some TV's will feed the remote control signals back directly over HDMI so everything can be in the av press. We ran 5 coax from the attic to the av press. The Virgin Media guy was very sound (maybe I got a good one and he ran two of their cable into the attic and connected to them, one for TV and one for BB. I've sicne got rid of TV as it's just to expesive, but still have their BB. I'm using fre sat and saoir view instead. I've two free cables left them the attic, about to use one for sat in another room so I'll be down to 1 more. Every thing is going IP an soon 1G will be slow if I were you I'd price better cable it's the same price to install it in the long run you will be better off. We didn't get an AV consultant which our architect warned us about she was right that's my main regert. If you are in dublin and want one PM and I'll send you a number
spaceHopper wrote: » We didn't put in HDMI, I went for Cat 6 and Coax, I regert it, I shouls have upspeced the cat 6 cable and added HDMI.
A HDMI matrix is 1/4 the price of a good HDBSET matirx, you can put in the best hdmi calbe an still be miles ahead. Also some TV's will feed the remote control signals back directly over HDMI so everything can be in the av press. We ran 5 coax from the attic to the av press. The Virgin Media guy was very sound (maybe I got a good one and he ran two of their cable into the attic and connected to them, one for TV and one for BB. I've sicne got rid of TV as it's just to expesive, but still have their BB. I'm using fre sat and saoir view instead. I've two free cables left them the attic, about to use one for sat in another room so I'll be down to 1 more. Every thing is going IP an soon 1G will be slow if I were you I'd price better cable it's the same price to install it in the long run you will be better off.
We didn't get an AV consultant which our architect warned us about she was right that's my main regert. If you are in dublin and want one PM and I'll send you a number
Laney Eager Yo-yo wrote: » Is that a HDBaseT matrix? I looked into them before but they seemed very expensive. Nice setup though.
Cyrus wrote: » i cant take the credit for this but our new build came with an av cabinet in the utility room (id have preferred the attic but hey ho), there is coax and cat 6 to every room in the house. What i have ended up doing is buying a hdanywhere 4k hdmi matrix and all of my devices are in the utility, skyq, atv and anything else you would want, connected to the matrix, it sends it out over cat 6 and there is a little receiver box with each tv and can send IR back etc. works pretty well once you figure it all out. [IMG]http s://i.imgur.com/zehd0Ed.jpg[/IMG]
Johnboy1951 wrote: » HDMI over ethernet is quite heavy, data-wise, I believe. (~6.5Gb/s for 1080p IIRC) So using a matrix, Cat7 would be required directly from source to destination, for each 'tuner/device' to each 'display'. Compared to a Sat>IP type set up, the costs are reduced hugely, as no matrix is required there is no requirement for Cat7, nor for direct cabling through matrix Cat5e can handle multiple streams an existing LAN can be used. For most home use Sat>IP is much the better option it seems to me.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » I would love to be in the situation of a completely new build so I could plan things properly. Having said that I would not touch the system described. In my ideal there would be one central media press where the coax from the Saorview aerial and the Unicable LNB would terminate, and in that press I would have sufficient tuners for my use throughout the house. I bought a Vbox and having tried it for a couple of days returned it again. It had too many limitations for my liking. For Sat tuners I use a Digibox R1 Quad and a Quad tuner HDhomerun for the Saorview channels. I also had a Sky box feeding a HDMI to DVB converter which went into the HDHomerun also. All of those tuners are managed by Tvheadend, running on a €40 Android box adapted to run a JEOS Linux. Included in the press in a central storage PC for all recordings and other media. All rooms to have wired ethernet ..... cat6 .... with all runs using double cable to twin faceplates. The larger rooms to have maybe three such double runs. Just make sure the ethernet sockets are close to power sockets. Distribute the TV/Media data over the LAN (could even have that LAN separated from general one) and at each viewing point (TVs not needed, not any tuners or storage) have a small device capable of running Kodi or similar, to select the media required for viewing/recording and show it on the TV/Monitor. Anyone with a laptop, phone or such can also access all functions just by running the required software, provided of course that a wifi Tx is added in the media press (maybe a router?). 7 day EPG on all tvchannels of course and all sorts of recording management etc. One of the less noticed future benefits is that the 'Display' in the room can be changed from one location to another without any great hassle, as the family's needs and preferences change, and room usage changes. Negatives: You have to be prepared to put in some work as there is nothing on the market that will do this 'out of box'. You will end up with multiple devices, but as opposed to that they will all be in one media press so will be easy manage. No matter where you extend your ethernet or wifi to ...... garage, outside office or whatever ..... all the TV/Media from the storage will be available there also along with internet access. If doing this some years into the future I would probably go for fibre LAN rather than Cat6, but presently that is not really consumer friendly yet, IMO. Also, for wired security cameras bring the ethernet cable back to the media press and integrate them into the whole system. This is quite easily done too without using any proprietary, costly, management systems. The great thing about all of the above is that the software is Libre and free of cost, and the hardware to run it on is small and cheap, except for the storage PC (which can be used to run the software to manage the security cameras. Yes, if I could only start again ....... and get a much cleaner result rather than ripping out stuff to try to facilitate wire runs that were never envisaged when the house was built in 1979/1980.
Cyrus wrote: » im not sure if i am answering a different thing or if HDBASET is different than HDMI over ethernet? but i can send 4k material via the matrix without issue.
Cyrus wrote: » this looks interesting John, what level of expertise would you say is required to get all this going?
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Sorry, but I am not a little confused. Cat6 is guaranteed to 1Gb/s and HDMI is 6.5Gb/s? Cat6a is 10Gb/s as is Cat7 so would be required?
Is HDBaseT based on IP packets? Is HDBaseT Ethernet? No. Although HDBaseT uses coding technology and uses the physical medium used by IP, it is not IP. HDBaseT uses T-packets, a different packetization protocol. HDBaseT uses the same coding technology as Ethernet and even has an Ethernet channel, but its packet-based technology is different from the traditional Ethernet packets.
