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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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leahyl

Rhys Essien wrote: »

I see the Abbey Theatre is getting an €80m cheque by the department to be redeveloped. I suppose lucky for them they’re in the right city. No questions asked.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/80m-facelift-for-abbey-theatre-moves-closer-960643.html

Lol they say the building is 50 years old....and how old is the building where the Everyman is.....older than 50 I'd say.

snotboogie

Couple of small updates:

Permission has been granted for almost 500 new homes in Douglas

I like this one, decent density by suburban Cork standard, good public transport links, contiguous with the city....

Office space development in Eastgate gets planning

This scheme has planning permission for 130,000sq ft of office space divided across three buildings which have the potential to link and create an overall campus.

I didn't even know this was up for planning, it's a decent size too, just over half the size of Penrose Dock. It is a bit Celtic Tiger in it's location but the specs look nice...

City Hall considering a boardwalk development for Patrick's Quay

I like this proposal but unfortunately it's just a proposal.

Work finally, finally set to start on the Crows Nest next month too

rounders

Interesting episode aired tonight of Nationwide all about Cork with interviews with Micheal O'Flynn, Cork Chamber and the city council. Available on the iPlayer now

Captainsatnav

rounders wrote: »

Interesting episode aired tonight of Nationwide all about Cork with interviews with Micheal O'Flynn, Cork Chamber and the city council. Available on the iPlayer now

Rehash of same aul sh1te we've been hearing for 2 years now, " city rising", "very exciting times" " on the cusp of something big...". No public investment going on though from what I see. Where's the train connections improvements to Cobh, new railway connections north, bus investment, public realm improvements...

leahyl

Captainsatnav wrote: »

Rehash of same aul sh1te we've been hearing for 2 years now. No public investment going on though from what I see.

And then at the very end of the episode Michael O' Flynn says "I'd be worried about Cork in the short to medium term" - eh ok

namloc1980

Captainsatnav wrote: »

Rehash of same aul sh1te we've been hearing for 2 years now. No public investment going on though from what I see.

Never forget, when Coveney and the others are looking for votes in the General Election, that in the 9 years of this FG government not a single public project of any large scale significance has been started anywhere in Cork.

ScrubsfanChris

Penrose: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jcd-group_penrosedock-cork-jcdgroup-activity-6595582006757736448-Qw-f

hans aus dtschl

snotboogie wrote: »

Office space development in Eastgate gets planning

I didn't even know this was up for planning, it's a decent size too, just over half the size of Penrose Dock. It is a bit Celtic Tiger in it's location but the specs look nice...

I'm laughing that it got planning: it's pretty much the single sentence that is the Co Co overall business plan "jam more units into Eastgate". I enjoyed reading this bit:

In addition the Cork/Midleton and Cobh commuter trains are located within minutes’ walk from the development.
Numerous bus routes serve both the city centre and surrounding suburbs.

The NTA know that the crompán roundabout is a death trap for pedestrians, that the recent narrowing of the footpaths to facilitate more cars couldn't have passed any proper safety audit, and that there's almost no chance that bus will be used because of the distance of the current bus stop from the estate. The lack of funding and unwillingness to promote sustainable corridors (bus/footpath/cycleway) on the island are the cherry on the cake.

Edit: local businesses and the Cork Chamber have been explicitly asking the NTA to fund sustainable transport in Little Island, but they're really digging their heels in. Zero funding available.

timmyjimmy

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I'm laughing that it got planning: it's pretty much the single sentence that is the Co Co overall business plan "jam more units into Eastgate". I enjoyed reading this bit:

The NTA know that the crompán roundabout is a death trap for pedestrians, that the recent narrowing of the footpaths to facilitate more cars couldn't have passed any proper safety audit, and that there's almost no chance that bus will be used because of the distance of the current bus stop from the estate. The lack of funding and unwillingness to promote sustainable corridors (bus/footpath/cycleway) on the island are the cherry on the cake.

Edit: local businesses and the Cork Chamber have been explicitly asking the NTA to fund sustainable transport in Little Island, but they're really digging their heels in. Zero funding available.

Not being able to cycle safely to LI from the city centre is an absolute farce, it just goes to show the car centric mentality of the CC.

hans aus dtschl

timmyjimmy wrote: »

Not being able to cycle safely to LI from the city centre is an absolute farce, it just goes to show the car centric mentality of the CC.

Yes agreed.
There's space to do a route relatively cheaply most of the way. South of the Tunnel Entrance, crossing over the railway where the N8 crosses over the railway and south of the Dunkettle/Tivoli Roundabout.

It's anyone's choice whether the cycleway should be to the north or south of the Tivoli Dual Carriageway, but with footpaths on both sides of the road and a wide median, the space is currently available.

On the topic of the Tivoli Dual Carriageway. There's a footpath with a 100kmh sign on it. It's all in the city. It's 60kmh at one side and a roundabout at the other. it's gridlocked at rush hour. Surely it's a candidate for bus lanes?

Markcheese

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I'm laughing that it got planning: it's pretty much the single sentence that is the Co Co overall business plan "jam more units into Eastgate". I enjoyed reading this bit:

The NTA know that the crompán roundabout is a death trap for pedestrians, that the recent narrowing of the footpaths to facilitate more cars couldn't have passed any proper safety audit, and that there's almost no chance that bus will be used because of the distance of the current bus stop from the estate. The lack of funding and unwillingness to promote sustainable corridors (bus/footpath/cycleway) on the island are the cherry on the cake.

Edit: local businesses and the Cork Chamber have been explicitly asking the NTA to fund sustainable transport in Little Island, but they're really digging their heels in. Zero funding available.

What would change all that very quickly would be if parking space requirements were dropped if a decent public transport plan was put In place..

namloc1980

Chaos in the city this evening. N40, South link, lower glanmire road all at a standstill.

hans aus dtschl

namloc1980 wrote: »

Chaos in the city this evening. N40, South link, lower glanmire road all at a standstill.

What's the latest on CMATS? Anyone?
Another paper tiger for Cork.

namloc1980

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

What's the latest on CMATS? Anyone?
Another paper tiger for Cork.

Nothing. Meanwhile €1bn has been announced in the last few weeks for 3 road schemes in Mayo, Adare Bypass and Macroom bypass. Government transport policy continues to be road and car centric, despite the rhetoric about sustainable transport.

Interesting that €500m has been found for the Adare bypass. Limerick well have a serious motorway network, much better than Cork. We can't get the Dunkettle scheme off the ground.

Mushy

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I'm laughing that it got planning: it's pretty much the single sentence that is the Co Co overall business plan "jam more units into Eastgate". I enjoyed reading this bit:

The NTA know that the crompán roundabout is a death trap for pedestrians, that the recent narrowing of the footpaths to facilitate more cars couldn't have passed any proper safety audit, and that there's almost no chance that bus will be used because of the distance of the current bus stop from the estate. The lack of funding and unwillingness to promote sustainable corridors (bus/footpath/cycleway) on the island are the cherry on the cake.

Edit: local businesses and the Cork Chamber have been explicitly asking the NTA to fund sustainable transport in Little Island, but they're really digging their heels in. Zero funding available.

All of this.

I laughed at the thought of more cars coming on to that roundabout. I have to cross that roundabout as a pedestrian morning and evening, luckily the amount of cars able to flow from non-eastgate means can cross alright in evening.

The bus line is a joke, what multiple bus routes are they? The 261 and 241? I lived in carrigtwohill until recently, my quickest way home was train to city and bus out. I'd be home by 4.45 driving, or 5.30 on train/bus. In cobh now so trains only is handy. But to claim bus routes as a positive is a farce.

Wonder what the recent cork chamber survey did to change any thoughts. I'll have a guess

namloc1980

Mushy wrote: »

All of this.

I laughed at the thought of more cars coming on to that roundabout. I have to cross that roundabout as a pedestrian morning and evening, luckily the amount of cars able to flow from non-eastgate means can cross alright in evening.

The bus line is a joke, what multiple bus routes are they? The 261 and 241? I lived in carrigtwohill until recently, my quickest way home was train to city and bus out. I'd be home by 4.45 driving, or 5.30 on train/bus. In cobh now so trains only is handy. But to claim bus routes as a positive is a farce.

Wonder what the recent cork chamber survey did to change any thoughts. I'll have a guess

All the County Council care about is rates. Those big offices will have lovely juicy rates. If it takes the people working there an hour to get off the island to get home, the council don't care.

Mardyke

Except that if affects all of our lives, it would be laughable.

A bunch of transition year students would do a better job at planning and decision making in this city.

hans aus dtschl

Mushy wrote: »

Wonder what the recent cork chamber survey did to change any thoughts. I'll have a guess

It looks like the chamber are fighting very hard.
Businesses also, seem close to unanimous in requesting more sustainable transport.
But ultimately the NTA don't want to know: there is no funding available for Little Island sustainable transport.

Simultaneously a billion euro of roads schemes have been announced around the country this month.

opus

The large & small apartment developments happening on Millerd St & Henry St are almost touching each other. Maybe you'll be able to climb out one window & in another to go between them!

Flesh Gorden

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

But ultimately the NTA don't want to know: there is no funding available for Little Island sustainable transport.

Speaking of Little Island, did the upgrades and widening of the roads either side of An Crompán roundabout generally sort out the gridlock?

I know there was an issue with the lights from the graveyard direction not changing and they didn't bother to put signs up about the changes to the lanes.

But other than that, I don't really hear anymore about the gridlock that was the norm down there every weekday, due to the previous bottlenecks.

Mushy

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

Speaking of Little Island, did the upgrades and widening of the roads either side of An Crompán roundabout generally sort out the gridlock?

I know there was an issue with the lights from the graveyard direction not changing and they didn't bother to put signs up about the changes to the lanes.

But other than that, I don't really hear anymore about the gridlock that was the norm down there every weekday, due to the previous bottlenecks.

Yeah it seems to flow better alright. Think if get caught coming westbound in mornings it can be harder to get on to roundabout though, cos there's just a constant flow of higher volume traffic coming across the bridge. I guess that was always gonna happen though.

Austria!

opus wrote: »

Was jogging out the Douglas Road this morning & noticed that piece of land across from the Texaco garage has been sold, presume it ripe for residential development.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/10m-douglas-seven-acre-site-sale-905995.html

Happened a while ago, assume you already knew and wanted to make a "I go jogging" post

opus

Oops I missed that, post removed.

cantalach

opus wrote: »

Oops I missed that, post removed.

Yeah, the fact that there are 4,160 previous posts on this thread is no excuse for missing important news like that.

JupiterKid

When is Five Guys coming to Cork?

And any more word on what happened to those rumours about IKEA opening somewhere near Carrigtwohill?

Markcheese

JupiterKid wrote: »

When is Five Guys coming to Cork?

And any more word on what happened to those rumours about IKEA opening somewhere near Carrigtwohill?

Those IKEA rumors are years old at this stage, If they'd wanted to set up in carrigtohil they'd be there already...

Captainsatnav

And wasn't there something about Avoca setting up ?

namloc1980

JupiterKid wrote: »

When is Five Guys coming to Cork?

And any more word on what happened to those rumours about IKEA opening somewhere near Carrigtwohill?

IKEA in Cork ain't happening. They confirmed it themselves a while ago.

Flesh Gorden

JupiterKid wrote: »

And any more word on what happened to those rumours about IKEA opening somewhere near Carrigtwohill?

IKEA launched nationwide delivery this time 2 years ago and with it ended any reason to open another store anywhere outside Dublin.

You can get anything they sell online delivered nationwide for between €10-€74.
And with larger orders on a specified day and timeslot, via private delivery companies who have contracts for each of the provinces.

There's no more reason to bring the shops closer to the people, when the shop is now at the tip of your finger.

Shedite27

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

IKEA launched nationwide delivery this time 2 years ago and with it ended any reason to open another store anywhere outside Dublin.

You can get anything they sell online delivered nationwide for between €10-€74.
And with larger orders on a specified day and timeslot, via private delivery companies who have contracts for each of the provinces.

There's no more reason to bring the shops closer to the people, when the shop is now at the tip of your finger.

But the meatballs