Junker wrote: They were saying things, some of them – lying. Telling the people things which have nothing to do with our day by day reality
Junker wrote: David Cameron asked me not to intervene in the referendum campaign because he said the European Commission is even less popular on the islands than on the continent ... That was a major mistake: I should have intervened, because nobody was denying, contesting the lies Boris Johnson and others were spreading around.
Junker wrote: If for 46 years you are told day after day, and you are reading in your papers, that the place of the British is not really in Europe, but that they are there for economic and internal market reasons, and all the rest – it’s nonsense, bull****, as they are saying in the European parliament – don’t be surprised if voters are asked to give their impression, some of them, a small majority but nevertheless a clear majority, is voting like a majority of the British sovereign people is voting
devnull wrote: » The trouble is that if these things are not respected then you are on a slippery slope where anyone does whatever they like and it is in that kind of environment that would allow fascist dictators to flourish and history shows us that when they have the ability to do so, some truly awful actions have followed. Unfortunately sometimes when people are used to the way things are for so long, they forget the lessons that their ancestors have learnt in the past, because they think that history will not repeat itself. These things are there for a reason and the reasons are to safeguard people against things that could be abused.
MrMusician18 wrote: » No more than the Brits, I see we are still fighting the 2016 referendum here...
Topgear on Dave wrote: » Iv got to admire this young lady brexiteers confidence on question time talking about Nissan and car manufacturing. The business is fast moving JIT manufacturing and cut throat. Edit: Kate Andrews of the IEA
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » It does not get any simpler than that. To me that means they leave all the institutions of the EU. .
Jamiekelly wrote: » Good to know the right wing think tanks have a policy of transfers for employees looking to add another acronym to their CV's. Kate Andrews used to be a spokeswoman for the Taxpayers Alliance. She must have been a little uncomfortable when pundits regularly asked the TA to disclose their funding sources during any debates. Kind of hard to convince people your fighting for their rights as taxpayers when the Koch Brothers in the USA are your primary wage payers. The Institute of Economic Affairs is at least more up front about being a private lobby group and aren't hiding behind the "Taxpayers". Taken from Wikipedia: The IEA supports privatising the National Health Service (NHS); campaigns against controls on junk food; attacks trades unions; and defends zero-hour contracts, unpaid internships and tax havens. Kate Andrews has also been on Sky News multiple times often criticising Ireland for being a tax haven and saying that privatizing certain parts of the NHS would only strenghten it in the long term :rolleyes:
Danzy wrote: » How long can this stalemate go on?
hotmail.com wrote: » Modern Euro scepticism came about in the 1960s and 70s (pushed by the Left by and large at first) , but anti European attitudes started long before a notion of a European Union.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » There were people on this thread only a few days ago rubbishing the idea that there might be unrest if Brexit doesn't happen. Hopefully that poll opens some eyes.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Impossible to overestimate the strength of feeling if the result was overturned. A lot of people would be very frustrated and angry.
Strazdas wrote: » "We won, you lost, the decision is final and you can never vote on this again, so suck it up, you losers".
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Now, if Brexit goes ahead, that will be different. Food shortages are exactly the sort of thing that triggers riots. Mass factory closures. Fuel rationing. Avoidable deaths in hospitals.
dfx- wrote: » What choice do Unionists have? UUP who are on the floor or DUP. Arlene could waste hundreds of millions of taxpayers money and Stormont collapse and still get a substantial number of votes.
hotmail.com wrote: » I'm commenting on the underlying anti European sentiment in Britain.
hotmail.com wrote: » Oh dear god. Move on.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » All complete bs. So you are saying the UK is trapped in the EU? We are all trapped in the EU because if we leave these terrible things will happen to us?
Kermit.de.frog wrote: So you are saying the UK is trapped in the EU?
Kermit.de.frog wrote: We will go back to sovereignty over our affairs and the EU will be the much looser economic community we first joined. Transitioning from the euro will be difficult but Ireland is pretty well placed as is Germany. Other countries it will hit them a little harder but they'll survive. We all move on.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Since Britain is in Europe, I am not sure what anti-European sentiment would even mean.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » No. Someday there will be a sworn inquiry into this and folks will be named and shamed. Brexit will stick to them like Iraq sticks to Blair.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » All complete bs. So you are saying the UK is trapped in the EU? We are all trapped in the EU because if we leave these terrible things will happen to us? The UK will leave. The EU will last a few years longer but I think ultimately it is a failed experiment. We will go back to sovereignty over our affairs and the EU will be the much looser economic community we first joined. Transitioning from the euro will be difficult but Ireland is pretty well placed as is Germany. Other countries it will hit them a little harder but they'll survive. We all move on. That is for the best - the alternative does not bear thinking about.
hotmail.com wrote: » Then perhaps research it. There are plenty of lectures on youtube explaining the long history of anti European feeling in Britain. And Britain may be part of Europe but it is not part of the continent.
Shelga wrote: » It’s a single-issue election, so why don’t they just have a referendum? Oh yeah, because Johnson needs an election.
Topgear on Dave wrote: » This is great television.
Strazdas wrote: » The extreme resistance to a referendum of any description suggests Leave voters and the right wing press fear it would be lost. A GE is more attractive as they feel Johnson can bluff and bluster his way through with "Let's get Brexit done" and other meaningless soundbites.
listermint wrote: » Lectures... Or generic YouTube nonsense for which there is days of video based crap
hotmail.com wrote: » Wait, do people dispute the anti European Union/ anti Europe feeling in Britain - it's all a myth?
