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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

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thomond2006

Awful news for Conan. Leinster should be ok without him as their European pool isn't difficult and they'll be fine in the Pro14. No need to get Conan back before April.

whatawaster

That's terrible news.

But what an opportunity for Doris or Deegan, not only to play big matches for Leinster, but also get a place in the 6N squad.

Burkie1203

Bollocks

https://twitter.com/RugbyKino/status/1186259103066267648?s=19

AbusesToilets

Any updates on Leavy, is there any likelyhood of him returning this season?

awec

None of this has anything to do with Leinster. This isn't a thread for Leinster fans to sit and moan about criticisms being posted about their former coach elsewhere in the forum.

Shefwedfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

I remember the joy of us winning the triple crown in 2004... The first one in 19 years.

Now when our coach doesn't win the RWC his Irish career is a failure...

We've become icarus.....

I have seen a Grand Slam been referred to as BS on this forum

sydthebeat

I remember the joy of us winning the triple crown in 2004... The first one in 19 years.

Now when our coach doesn't win the RWC his Irish career is a failure...

We've become icarus.....

nannerby

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Right now - Yes
I feel Earls would be under more threat by 2021 6N

Earls should be dropped now.

Shefwedfan

Can we keep the Ireland discussion out of the Leinster thread.....its boring enough now on the other threads.....

Kearney has oneyear left and I still struggle to figure out why they extended but anyway. Larmour should be the nailed on starter going forward.

Jimmy O'Brien/Keenan have started so far in Pro14 so I guess they will be options moving forward. So we would have Larmour/Keenan/DKearney and potentially Frawley as a 15. With Lowe if required

Was Tomane on a 2 year contract? If so we should try to extend

ionadnapóca

Right now - Yes
I feel Earls would be under more threat by 2021 6N

Faugheen

Lowe’s the best winger playing in Ireland by a mile.

AbusesToilets

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Rob Kearney - Not trying to drag this into the gutter and came to this tread for some thoughts and insights - contracted to 2020,
So who follows at FB?
Larmour? Any prospects other than Keenan?

Lowe eligible for Ireland in autumn 2020
15 Larmour; Lowe, Stockdale
Is a great way for Andy Farrell to bring impetus into the side.

Lowe on right wing not ideal for a lefty-Andy Farrell could flex some muscle and want Lowe at FB.

I'd start Lowe at 11, he's better than Stockdale imo.

ionadnapóca

Rob Kearney - Not trying to drag this into the gutter and came to this tread for some thoughts and insights - contracted to 2020,
So who follows at FB?
Larmour? Any prospects other than Keenan?

Lowe eligible for Ireland in autumn 2020
15 Larmour; Lowe, Stockdale
Is a great way for Andy Farrell to bring impetus into the side.

Lowe on right wing not ideal for a lefty-Andy Farrell could flex some muscle and want Lowe at FB.

Squidgy Black

is_that_so wrote: »

So when are the returning RWC players likely to be rolled back into the first 15?

Think they were back within 2 or 3 weeks after 2015, but might be a bit longer considering the travel distance. Treviso would be the most likely target or even the Lyon game after, but we might see a few integrated back in vs Connacht

VANG1

Joe was a great coach for Ireland, he raised our level and our expectations. Some of our players have been off form and some just had an off day yesterday and some were short of game time. The defeat is not 100% down to Joe.

irishbucsfan

is_that_so wrote: »

So when are the returning RWC players likely to be rolled back into the first 15?

I'd imagine they'll aim for the Champions Cup, so possibly the Connacht match the week before?

is_that_so

So when are the returning RWC players likely to be rolled back into the first 15?

irishbucsfan

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I never said that they count for nothing, I cheered as much as the next person. That doesn't change that we have failed, and failed badly, under Joe at the WC. He should be held to account for that.

We have one of the best professional set ups among any nation, we should expect to be competitive every year, and are at this stage. I'd expect any coach coming in to be capable of winning a 6N in a 4 year WC cup cycle, that's not the measure of success it once was.

Its not the measure of success it once was because we win it now. That wasn't a regular occurrence before he was our coach.

It'd be like if we made a world cup final twice in a row and then people suddenly started claiming that progressing in the world cup without winning it is not the measure of success it once was.

Schmidt took a successful Leinster side and turned them into the best club side in European rugby, perhaps ever. Then he took a team from the bottom of the 6 Nations and won a grand slam. He also failed on multiple occasions. World Cups weren't the only time the Irish team failed to perform under Schmidt, there were plenty of periods where the team were playing poorly. But he was still a very successful coach in comparison to everything that came before him. So successful, that he clearly made multiple 6 Nations wins look so easy that people won't even give him credit for them any more.

AbusesToilets

DGRulz wrote: »

It's a 32 year old competition. It's not like the FIFA World Cup despite what World Rugby would have you believe. It's a centralised autumn international series with a few rounds of chucking fodder at the big 8 before the real thing starts, with a fancy gold cup and a tag line at the end. A competition like the 6 Nations is over 100 years older and has more prestige.

Ludicrous statement. The age of the competition doesn't matter in the slightest. It's the one time when all teams arrive with something close to equal levels of preparation. We've had one good performance in a 1/4, in 91, before the game went professional. That's crap. All the 6Ns in world don't make up for that.

DGRulz

AbusesToilets wrote: »

It's the highest level of competition in the sport, what else ought to be the ultimate metric of success at international level?

It's a 32 year old competition. It's not like the FIFA World Cup despite what World Rugby would have you believe. It's a centralised autumn international series with a few rounds of chucking fodder at the big 8 before the real thing starts, with a fancy gold cup and a tag line at the end. A competition like the 6 Nations is over 100 years older and has more prestige.

Edit: Apologies, just noticed this is the Leinster thread. It was a safe place yesterday and should remain so.

AbusesToilets

Clegg wrote: »

But you absolutely cannot discount success in the Six Nations. As a Nation we're wholly unsuccessful. Under Schmidt we've won 30% of our titles in the 109 year history of the 5/6 Nations.

Yes, I completely understand that people want success at this world cup. Winning that tournament is the highest honour in the game. But I won't accept that the titles we've won in the last six years count for nothing

I never said that they count for nothing, I cheered as much as the next person. That doesn't change that we have failed, and failed badly, under Joe at the WC. He should be held to account for that.

We have one of the best professional set ups among any nation, we should expect to be competitive every year, and are at this stage. I'd expect any coach coming in to be capable of winning a 6N in a 4 year WC cup cycle, that's not the measure of success it once was.

Clegg

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Would you have considered EOS a success coach? He won the most games ever by an Irish coach, up til Joe. Never won any silverware. I'm grateful for what we won with Joe, but he failed with respect to the WC. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive, and I would consider the WC the ultimate measure of an International coach. That's how other nations also view it, rightly so.

But you absolutely cannot discount success in the Six Nations. As a Nation we're wholly unsuccessful. Under Schmidt we've won 30% of our titles in the 109 year history of the 5/6 Nations.

Yes, I completely understand that people want success at this world cup. Winning that tournament is the highest honour in the game. But I won't accept that the titles we've won in the last six years count for nothing

AbusesToilets

DGRulz wrote: »

If we're judging the ultimate success or failure of a coach through the glass of World Cups we're essentially saying the only games that matter happen for 2 months every four years. That's a sad, sad, indictment of our game. It also says there's only a handful of quality coaches since 1987.

It's the highest level of competition in the sport, what else ought to be the ultimate metric of success at international level?

DGRulz

If we're judging the ultimate success or failure of a coach through the glass of World Cups we're essentially saying the only games that matter happen for 2 months every four years. That's a sad, sad, indictment of our game. It also says there's only a handful of quality coaches since 1987.

AbusesToilets

Clegg wrote: »

It is absolutely a performance based business. And by judging the performances of the Ireland side, I have come to the conclusion that he's the most successful Irish coach in history. I don't think the World Cup is the only metric to judge success. We are historically an unsuccessful nation. What we've seen in Schmidt's six years as coach is unprecedented success as far as I'm concerned.

Would you have considered EOS a success coach? He won the most games ever by an Irish coach, up til Joe. Never won any silverware. I'm grateful for what we won with Joe, but he failed with respect to the WC. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive, and I would consider the WC the ultimate measure of an International coach. That's how other nations also view it, rightly so.

Clegg

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Joe is an amazing person and a quality coach. That doesn't mean his tenure can't also be viewed as a failure with respect to the WC. It's a performance based business, at the end of the day.

It is absolutely a performance based business. And by judging the performances of the Ireland side over six years, I have come to the conclusion that he's the most successful Irish coach in history. I don't think the World Cup is the only metric to judge success. We are historically an unsuccessful nation. What we've seen in Schmidt's six years as coach is unprecedented success as far as I'm concerned.

Faugheen

Clegg wrote: »

Tbh I'm not entirely sure they're Irish rugby fans at all. We've all been critical of our failures as a side despite what some journalists say. But what we're seeing now is just naked agenda against Irish rugby.

Maybe so, but there’s many Irish Rugby fans who didn’t like Schmidt because of his Leinster connections, claiming he only picked Leinster players and all that nonsense early on and believing their player was better. A lot of the bile from Irish rugby fans is purely provincial and Schmidt gets a lot of it because of that.

The agenda and delight from some people that we lost was summed up perfectly by Jerry Flannery on the JOEpan show, they’re losers, and they love being losers.

Clegg

Faugheen wrote: »

I have said many times that there’s a sizeable number of Irish rugby fans who deserve zero success or any kind of joy from what those players and coaches give us if they’re going to **** on the best coach Irish rugby has ever had.

They deserve mediocrity and failure.

Tbh I'm not entirely sure they're Irish rugby fans at all. We've all been critical of our failures as a side despite what some journalists say. But what we're seeing now is just naked agenda against Irish rugby.

AbusesToilets

Joe is an amazing person and a quality coach. That doesn't mean his tenure can't also be viewed as a failure with respect to the WC. It's a performance based business, at the end of the day.

Squidgy Black

The amount of people going back and quoting posts from before the tournament or from the 6N etc trying to validate themselves says it all really, it's just people trying to get digs in. It's quite miserable reading these days, there's certain people who are just posting non-stop negativity too which is just a pain in the hole to keep seeing.