Wanderer78 wrote: » Who d employ them?
Wanderer2010 wrote: » Exactly! Its like a comment I heard about homeless people "Why don't they just get a job?". As if its just that easy, click your fingers, they don't even have an address ffs. How can they just get a job. The ignorance and stupidity of some people still surprises me.
PCeeeee wrote: You're right it's not easy. But it is possible, most people do it. I'm not sure why you feel travellers can't?
PCeeeee wrote: Travellers must make their own decisions in life, it's not up to me to tell them how to live. However if it was me that that was unemployable I would work to change myself. That is the way the system works.
PCeeeee wrote: » It's not easy. It requires eductaing yourself or if it's too late for you then providing that oppourtunity for your children. It requires getting a job, any job, for any length of time and getting a reference, building a reputation. It requires getting out of bed morning after morning, it means biting your tongue if necessary. You're right it's not easy. But it is possible, most people do it. I'm not sure why you feel travellers can't?
Wanderer78 wrote: » Again, who d employ them?
Johnboy1951 wrote: Maybe if they try to behave in an acceptable manner and take their education opportunities, then the rest of society would look differently at them (as a whole).
Wanderer78 wrote: » That's how the system kinna works for us, but not them, the truth is, there's virtually no employment opportunities out there for them, very few, if any employers would take a punt on a traveller, even with a basic level of education, put a traveller name on a virtually blank cv, and see what happens
Wanderer78 wrote: » Again, this actually doesn't solve the issue, our educational system clearly doesn't work for them, either does our employment systems, I've no clue how we solve this, but leaving it largely up them, probably also won't work
vriesmays wrote: » 80% travellers on the dole.
robtri wrote: » as most of its by choice... I don't see hows that relevant dole and doing work for cash... they do alright
Road-Hog wrote: » For Has anyone came up with any strategy for dealing with the ‘traveller crisis’......it’s been around for decades and nothing seems to have changed. Hey were declare a separate race a few years ago is about the only thing I can think of. Apart from that they are supposed to abide by the laws the rest of us do....so it’s down to enforcement by the authorities in the end of the day.....??
Azatadine wrote: » I must say, it does seem like it is a bit of a haven for them. They used to say Wexford was but I'd say Waterford has taken over that mantle. Particularly bad decision to have them on the Carrickpherish road and Williamstown at the entrance to the city. To make matters even worse the Carrickphierish crowd seem to be completely devoid of any respect for living conditions, environment or other people.
friendlyfun wrote: Vriesmays is a troll agreeing with him on anything only encourages him
Wanderer78 wrote: » Maybe we need to change tactics, what if we all continously encouraged them, just to see what happens....
Road-Hog wrote: Would a ‘settled’ person riding/driving a sulky get cautioned/pulled over immediately once noticed by the gardaà or would they turn a blind eye....are gardai trained to be able to readily recognise travellers so that they can be given preferential treatment....?
spankmemunkey wrote: » Who would employ them?? that's a great question that you'd get lots of answers to depending who you were speaking to. Do gooders Politicians Joe Duffy, ask them that question and you'd get the fantasy world answer lots of people would etc etc etc, that type of answer just underlines the reality and the fantasy thinking behind the traveller debate. Problem is its like a chicken and egg situation. Basically its a problem that would need to be broken down over generations, ye cant expect results in ten years by forcing travellers to school making them do this and that and expect results. that's something that would bear fruit in many years down the line but it needs to be implemented, Dole needs to be cut if courses aren't attended. Cant read or write then they need to be sent on courses training or dole will be cut, eventually over the years this will be bread into them. Children aren't attending school? parents need to be held accountable the same way settled parents are. Basically they need to be forced into doing these basic things to be able to be apart of society
spankmemunkey wrote: Dole needs to be cut if courses aren't attended.
kayaksurfbum wrote: My point is, if they want to get a job the work is there i think.
kayaksurfbum wrote: » I worked in a factory with two sisters who were travellers. They lived in a caravan when they started work, they were slow to get into the swing of things, but when they realized that easy factory work paid so good they weren't travellers anymore. Moved into a house and starting calling themselves different names. I suppose the fact that they actually looked for work and moved out of caravans meant that they wanted a different life for themselves! My point is, if they want to get a job the work is there i think.
Azatadine wrote: » Looks like it anyway. Doesn't matter about it because it's over Gracedieu area... I'm sure there would be more about it if it was in other areas.
