Nigel Farage says the EU wanting to keep employment legislation, social protections, environmental law and taxation on a level-playing field is "not taking back control of our laws". "We still haven't got a package that works," he complains. "It doesn't make us a free country. It's just Mrs [Theresa] May's deal with a few improvements."
FrancieBrady wrote: » Spain has said it would have no jusifiable legal objection to Scotland joining the . EU Their reasoning is that Scotland's independence will be gained constitutionally, Catalonia attempt is according to Spain, unconstitutional and illegal. Rahoy outlined this a long time ago.
gimli2112 wrote: » No idea what the father was thinking putting the kid into that situation, at best it's a serious lapse in judgement,
FrancieBrady wrote: » It doesn't matter, none of them should be under threat leaving their place of work. He may have wanted his son to witness events in Parliament...fairly momentous stuff going on, after all. I have no time for Mogg, less time for that sort of abusive protest. Protest should not be abusive.
devnull wrote: » Farage has been on Sky and has just made it obvious that it's about screwing over the common man and helping the rich get richer is all that he cares about. But no doubt his supporters still won't see the fact he is desperate to screw them over. Plus he wants a delay!https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1185828871163305984 Basically he wants a no deal Brexit so the rich can plunder the poor and take away their rights. It's there naked for all to see why the Brexit party are about and their vile motivations.
LeinsterDub wrote: » https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1185835835859652608 Would SNP and Lib Dems support this?
boggerman1 wrote: » But the common man believes the lies sold by farage so they will get what they voted for and hope the common man is screwed royally.and listening to English radio they are beyond redemption now.time to lance the boil
circadian wrote: » I guess the devil is in the details but on the face of it yeah I'd say they would, unless the Lib Dems are just electioneering with their revoke A50 pledge.
devnull wrote: » Farage has been on Sky and has just made it obvious that it's about screwing over the common man and helping the rich get richer is all that he cares about. But no doubt his supporters still won't see the fact he is desperate to screw them over. Plus he wants a delay! Basically he wants a no deal Brexit so the rich can plunder the poor and take away their rights. It's there naked for all to see why the Brexit party are about and their vile motivations.
Infini wrote: » They would as for the SNP it prevents them being dragged out of the EU against their will and as for the Lib Dems it's the next best thing to outright revocation. Regardless for both parties it means a way foward and since Corbyn has at least come out and supported this option anyways it should pass. The DUP will for all their stupidity will likely support it too as it lets them get off the hook while throwing Boris and friends under their own bus purely just to spite them. If they can pass a motion for a referendum then win a Remain vote it utterly destroys the conservatives plans for good, Remain can easily win it if they have positive slogans as well as easily ripping the piss out of the antics of JRM and Boris while highliting the core point that remain costs nothing but leave means years of endless Brexit news. It would be enough to close down the damn thing for some people.
Shelga wrote: » I think the view that another referendum in which Remain win will solve everything is naive. The genie is out of the bottle. I do still agree, however, that the best possible outcome is a referendum on Johnson’s deal v Remain, where Remain wins by more than ~55%. Even then, the political system in the UK will remain polarised and toxic, and a large portion of the electorate will be extremely angry and disillusioned. They will think: our decision was reversed, before we had even left.
devnull wrote: » Indeed, if you ask them for a single policy other than delivering Brexit of Farage's none of them can say anything and when you tell them about his tax plans and workers rights they say that is all 'project fear' and speculation even though he's openly said it himself. Some of them are so desperate for Brexit they'd sell their family down the river to get it.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » People will probably disbelieve me when I say this, and I understand why but my primary motivation for supporting another referendum is to legitimise Brexit, ie to ask the people, "Given what has transpired and come to light in the past three years, is this huge change what you want?" If people want to take the all but guaranteed economic hit, to turn cracks in the Union into chasms and to jettison the UK's standing in the world all for the whims of a few shadowy financiers then that's their call. This was far from clear in 2016. It is now so there's nothing anyone like me can say or do to question the legitimacy of a People's Vote whatever the result is. The UK deserves a chance to rethink this, to show that it is better than the libertarian Tory right and to vote based on facts and not fantasies. I doubt there is a single member of the "We knew what we were voting for" brigade who desired turning the Prime Minister into a supplicant of the French president three times. I want to end this with a remain vote but I want Brexit voters to have the chance to be 100% sure so that the fallout will be entirely on them regardless of the fantasies they've been sold by the likes of Rothermere, Murdoch and Desmond.
devnull wrote: » https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1185842754385043458 I think this sums up the Tory party quite well right now and you'd have to ask yourself why the hell are they betting each other and secondly, if this shows that they are not as united as they seem to be, with Gove once again throwing people under the bus.
Guy:Incognito wrote: » They need 2 votes though. First on the deal and then on deal V remain. Rerunning the referendum without a clear line on what leave means is just the same thing again. It needs to be clear that leave is this exact deal (or whatever or they eventually agree on, no deal ect.) But there theres the Scotland situation to consider too. Do they stay in the union if its remain?
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » Reminds of that scene in Trading Places where the two Duke brothers reveal they fecked everything up for a $1 bet
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » I am not sure the SNP should unless each constitiuent country in the 'union' has to vote for Brexit in order for the UK to leave
fergiesfolly wrote: » You're absolutely right. But JRM knew the crowd would be abusive and still took his child through it. Worse still, he dressed him up to look like a miniature version of himself, drawing even more attention to them and putting his child in danger. I don't like him or his politics, but to to that to his own son proves what a vile, odious cretan he is.
J Mysterio wrote: » RE the extension request... HOC have still not voted on the WA. Might it make sense for the EU to say, sorry, we will not entertain an extension untill you have voted on the agreement we literally just negotiated? They havent even tested it yet.
Joe_ Public wrote: » I dont see there is an issue with the extension. Whether deal passed or not they'll need it. Even if it passes hoc it still then has to go to brussels to be ratified, academic process but still requires time. So its just a matter of how long for extension not if. I imagine EU leaders themselves remain concerned about no deal.
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