Bambi wrote: » I note with interest that you cant refute the post you quoted If the MLAs in the North vote to end the dual custom arrangement what is the default outcome? A hard border.
irishfeen wrote: » People have to remember the DUP's hard line is not shared by the UUP, they wanted to remain in the EU remember. This is very very bad for the DUP and Unionism in NI - they pushed too hard and should have approved May's deal. We will have an economic United Ireland now in all but name.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Caller mis-informed. Read the text.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Funnily enough, latest polling shows that Unionist parties are losing support. As are Nationalist parties but to a lesser extent. Big winners are Alliance - who are pro-Europe.
Frosty Perception wrote: » he just said he is deflated and it's "a bleak day for LEAVERS"
FrancieBrady wrote: » And who don't like this deal...they think the May one was better.
PokeHerKing wrote: » Can somebody link the text here please?
golfball37 wrote: » The Benn act is redundant now with JCJ saying there will be no extension. Its either Boris deal or no deal now. Labour will look ridiculous voting against this if no deal is the consequence. Cummins and Boris have played this thing beautifully from a political strategy POV.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Why?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Naomi Long was on BBC News there, only got her first sentence or two and had to run one of the children to training, but she was saying it was a bad deal for NI...I think from an investment/business angle. She'd probably be right.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Again, under what circumstances will that happen?
Bambi wrote: » No, my friend you don't get to start a sentence with "again" and then rephrase your question You asked under what circumstances would Stormont be able to impose a hard border. I've answered. You can refute if you like or you can accept that Stormont could impose a hard border if decides to. Do you accept that? Are you now asking under what circumstances would MLAs take that course of action? Then you've gone from querying the possibility to abstraction about the circumstances in which that course of events might unfold? It's back to the argument I mentioned pages back that the risk is minimal because "Shur that will never happen". In an era where things that would never happen are now commonplace that is absolute folly
Frosty Perception wrote: » Andrew Bridgen says he'll suck it up!
Itssoeasy wrote: » So rugby World Cup games Saturday morning along with the brexit vote ? Amazing day of sport on Saturday and one for the ages.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Okay pal. Under what circumstances do you think that Stormont will impose a hard border? No problem if you can't think of any.
Bambi wrote: » Before we move on to that do you accept that A) the Stormont assembly can impose a hard border if it desires? This is a breach of the Irish Governments red line that no hard border could result from any agreement?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Possibly given the uncertainty. But my point is that the unionist vote is on a downward trajectory recently; DUP -7% and UUP -6%. Most of these votes have gone to Alliance which is a Remain party. This trend reinforces the view that a hard border won't be voted in for the foreseeable future. As it stands, Stormont would not vote for a hard border today. If we get to the point where NI does vote for a hard border, the world will be a very different and dangerous place anyway.
fash wrote: » Where there is increased polarization in society and (caused by) economic stagnation caused by political uncertainty, leading to only 1 of 2 possible outcomes to resolve the situation: hard border or United Ireland.
Many farmers and business owners, in contrast, welcomed a deal that would keep trade flowing and avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland. “What is good is that a deal is struck, we can move on to the more positive conversation about the future relationship and, regardless, Northern Ireland can continue to have tariff-free, quota-free access to both the UK and the EU’s single market,” said the Manufacturing Northern Ireland chief executive, Stephen Kelly. They are relieved they have certainty as the new arrangements will mean the same trading environment for four years beyond the transition period. Stormont then gets to vote, and if the new regime is popular and can command 60% support – with at least 40% each of the nationalist and unionist votes – it will be rolled over for another eight years, a protracted EU alignment that is anathema to the DUP.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » So you want a solution imposed on people in the north that they have no say in whatsoever? That was never going to happen nor should any such thing happen. How would we like something like that imposed on us with no say? The reality is when the dust settles it is going to be impossible for them to leave the arrangements anyway for practical purposes. Why would they vote for a hard border and economic mayhem for themselves?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Or the status quo remains. I don't believe it will be as binary as you predict. Staunch Nationalism/Republicanism/Loyalism/Unionism is washing out slowly but surely.
