El_Duderino 09 wrote: » FE isn’t the only alternative. It just happens to have Attracted more manufacturers i it’s 5 years than f1 can currently manage after its 70 odd years. I’m not wedded to f1. I’ll probably just follow the formula that had greatest appeal to me. Will you follow f1 no matter what?
skipper_G wrote: » If FE is the future as you seem to think then in the end F1 will be dead and I'll be watching whatever is left I suppose. I think you're patently wrong and nothing you've said has shifted my opinion. It's an alien concept to some, if you hate F1 don't watch it. I actually enjoy watching and will continue to do so for as long as my interest is held. It's not perfect, but then nothing is.
pjohnson wrote: » If FE is so much better why do you watch F1?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » You’re stuck on FE vs F1. My point was that F1 originally had a natural purpose to developing ICEs because they were the future. It has lost that edge because ICEs are the present but they’re not the long term future like they were in the 1950s. Don’t take my word for it. Even with a tiny sport, in its infancy and as you pointed out, lower viewership and revenue, the manufacturers are skipping F1 and moving to FE in greater numbers.
skipper_G wrote: » But that's the point you're missing, electric is not the future. It's only part of the future. The ICE is also part of that future, where F1's relevance now is in the millions of R&D spent on making them last longer, run more efficiently and use less fuel. If you think that's not vital to the future of mobility on this planet then you need to think again.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Maybe I watch both. I suppose I needs to be said again. I’m saying f1 has lost the edge that it once had, of being re sport developing the future technology. That doesn’t say anything about the spectacle. Just the fact that f1 has lost some of its brand appeal as the driver of future technology. Because ICEs aren’t future tech.
pjohnson wrote: » Thats only true if you ignore the fact ICE's are still developing for the future.....
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Yeah. 4 manufacturers in f1. FE has 6 so far in a piddley little sport in its infancy, with paltry viewership and revenue by comparison to f1. Why’s FE finding it so easy to attract manufacturers?
pjohnson wrote: » Well the obvious answer would be because it is cheap? They dont need to spend to develop the chassis it is designed and set for them. In F1 manufacturers have to develop engine and chassis. F1 is expensive to enter and compete.
shamrock55 wrote: » Just let vettal drive on, what's with this swapping crap If you want to win a race you need to bloody earn it
PopePalpatine wrote: » If Vettel and Leclerc were paired in either Red Bull or Merc I'd be looking forward to an explosive title fight next year like 1989, but Ferrari gonna Ferrari.
Dont be at yourself wrote: » Never mind Formula E, you just need to look at Toyota's failed entry into F1 to understand why we don't have more manufacturers. Largest carmaker in the world, huge pedigree in motorsport, billions invested, and nothing to show for it after 8 years. 2021 rules badly need to lower the barriers to entry to new manufacturers. Budgets caps, more equitable revenue distribution, more standard parts or open-sourced designs -- that will do more to attract manufacturers than the prospect of improving their green credentials or 'road relevance'.
recyclebin wrote: » Should we be worried about Renaults future in the sport? Will they continue on there own in the long term? The loss of engine data from other teams will be huge especially if the the current engine format changes from 2021 onwards.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » That would be a reason for private teams who can’t afford F1, to enter FE Manufacturers want maximum exposure which they won’t get in FE at the moment. So I wonder what other element they find attractive about FE. I wonder, I wonder....
GarIT wrote: » I would pay good money to be able to watch F1 with commentary in English without ever having to hear Paul DiResta say "meejum tyre" again.
uchimata83 wrote: » GarIT wrote: » I would pay good money to be able to watch F1 with commentary in English without ever having to hear Paul DiResta say "meejum tyre" again. Brutal, where was Brundle today? It's a clown show without him
murphyebass wrote: » Can’t wait for all these rule changes. Yesterday was so boring. Crofty said something all the lines of not a lot of wheel to wheel action today but the strategies are fascinating. Ok the strategy is interesting to a point but come on! I watch motorsport to see wheel to wheel action, overtakes etc.. not bleeding strategy. Knowing that it’ll be Ferrari, Mercedes, to a lesser extent Red Bull and then don’t concern yourself with the rest is boring. I watched a bit of the formula e this year. It had a different winner every other race. Everyone has a chance. Ps.. I’m not the biggest Vettel fan but when Charles le clerc went all man child on the radio AGAIN yesterday I wanted to punch him and for Vettel to win just to spite the little spoilt child. But alas, Ferrari be Ferrari. Ugh
pjohnson wrote: » Manufacturers just want easy money. FE is lost cost to enter and is a (per Season 5 figures) rapidly growing market. Growing market = increasing returns. Low cost and effort required to enter then yielding potential decent returns = very attractive and no real risk attached. Its just basic business. "Future" doesnt make money, low risk investments are a no brainer.
quokula wrote: » I don’t understand the obsession with manufacturers anyway. When I first got into F1 there was McLaren, Williams, Ligier, Jordan, Sauber, Lotus, Tyrrell, Benetton, Minardi etc - the only manufacturer on the grid were Ferrari, who are unique because they were an F1 team first and sold cars later to fund the F1. Further back before my time there were periods when the entire grid were using cosworth engines. Manufacturers have dipped in and out throughout history, but it’s really only in the last 10 a 15 years that they’ve become the dominant force to the detriment of proper old fashioned racing teams. Personally I’d be happy if they all jumped ship to FE and we returned to a proper sport rather than a R&D / marketing exercise for the likes of Mercedes.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » “Manufacturers just want easy money” “Future” doesn’t make money”. Ah here. You’re right about the growing viewership, but these two statements are miles off the mark. “Future doesn’t make money” is a particular low point when discussing an industry that spends billions on future technologies. As an example, Jaguar spent £100m on a “future technologies” research facility in Warwick. Then joined FE.
GarIT wrote: » I watch for the strategy couldn't really care who is overtaking who. And I feel the opposite about the Ferrari situation, LeClerc would be far ahead of Vettel if LeClerc wasn't playing the team game all the time and then Vettel won't give back the help he is being given. Vettel needs to be dropped for Hulk or Alonso. Whatever happens LeClerc needs to stop playing the team game and get talking to Mercedes and Red Bull.
