0lddog wrote: » Neither in the EU The whole lark has the smell of lobbying in Brussels :cool:
0lddog wrote: » To free up sell off some frequencies for 3G ( remember that ? )
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » FYP
Srameen wrote: » Just how many 'old ' people in this country still listen to longwave? I'd wager it's a minuscule number.
paleoperson wrote: » I cannot for the life of me think of why they would do this. Where do you have to be living that you can't get FM OR AM, and is it safe for elderly people to be living there in the first place?
Srameen wrote: » I know full well it's pressure from those in the UK. Hence I said 'in this country'. They pay neither taxes or Licence Fee towards the cost. So, tough. Tune in elsewhere or use other means to get your fix of the old country..
FTA69 wrote: » Lovely way to refer to a generation of Irish people who were economically forced into emigration and sent millions of pounds back home in remittances that they earned doing back breakingly hard work
paleoperson wrote: » Does anyone know what fraction of elderly people actually even know what longwave is? Serious question. I know a few who didn't/wouldn't, at best their concept of it would be "that one you sometimes accidentally put on when trying to get to RTE". I don't think it was even a thing when I was growing up, longwave radios were fairly and longwave radio atlantic 252 was on it originally. It's not like they've been getting it for several decades. I cannot for the life of me think of why they would do this. Where do you have to be living that you can't get FM OR AM, and is it safe for elderly people to be living there in the first place? They already have FM, AM do they really need longwave as well?
topper75 wrote: » How many such listeners are there remaining in the UK? It could be interesting to divide that number into the 1.8m figure and see if you could buy them all a free DAB radio. :-) If they left this land 50 years ago, it would be an outrageously kind favour by Irish taxpayers. You'd wonder why such people are still listening to Irish radio at all. Immigrants have obligations to integrate. Would be hard to blame perfidious Albion if they have made no efforts.
end of the road wrote: » nobody has an obligation to abandon their culture or the ability to use links to their homeland as part of their integration. integration means abide by the law, pay the relevant taxes. ideally take part in the local community but that is up to the individual.
topper75 wrote: » Are we talking immigrants or colonists? What you wrote sounds like some kind of inverted Statutes of Kilkenny. :-) After 50 years I'd be more British than the British themselves. I mean, what exactly would the point be of trying to do otherwise?
my3cents wrote: » I've been in Ireland more than 20 years and still listen to BBC Radio 4 on Long Wave most of the time. When its crap I just tune into RTE on Long Wave (when available). I don't see why the Irish in the UK shouldn't have the option to listen to RTE on Long Wave. The problem with Long Wave is that it is expensive on the old electricity bill but thats also the reason the signal has the power to be picked up as far away as it does.
GarIT wrote: » Because it's expensive and they aren't contributing.
end of the road wrote: » they contributed via making the huge sacrifice of leaving the motherland to go to britain and all that went with it. they survived turbulent times, and sent money home to their families, often forgoing anything they could to do so. they will remember the discrimination and even experienced the discrimination, dished out by a minority of people who do not in any way represent the majority. no blacks, no dogs, no irish was no doubt, a sad and familiar experience for some at some stage. i am happy and proud that the motherland recognizes their sacrifice and provides them with a link to their homeland, providing comfort to them.
GarIT wrote: » That's not contributing. It's worth nothing.
end of the road wrote: » it is contributing, and is worth everything to those families who relied on the contributions those brave, and now elderly, immigrants went through hardship to provide.
GarIT wrote: » Helping your family isn't the same as paying taxes.
end of the road wrote: » taxes would have been paid by the businesses operators and staff of any services those families were able to use due to receiving help from the brave people who emmegrated. so in an indirect way the migrants to britain paid taxes.
GarIT wrote: » Their family are welcome to receive the signal on the regular radio bands. They have not paid tax directly or a TV licence to fund the state broadcaster, their opinion shouldn't be listened to. The only consideration should be the cost/benefit to people on the Island of Ireland and Islands within the country of Ireland.
end of the road wrote: » their opinions have to be listened to as they are irish and not listening to their opinions when they have indirectly contributed to the country would be a showing of contempt for brave people who were forced from their homeland via economic necessity. the fact they haven't paid tax directly or a tv license is irrelevant as a tv license isn't required for radio listening.
GarIT wrote: » Calling them brave is nonsense. Economic migrants who have contributed nothing. Don't live here, don't matter. The TV licence funds the radio transmissions, only licence holders should be considered when planning infrastructure. What they have paid directly is the only relevant factor.
GarIT wrote: » Calling them brave is nonsense. Economic migrants who have contributed nothing. Don't live here, don't matter. The TV licence funds the radio transmissions, only licence holders should be considered when planning infrastructure. What they have paid directly is the only relevant factor. I have no problem with people emigrating for a better life but they can't expect services from where they have left and are no longer paying tax.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » Half of RTÉ's funding is commercial. And as you know, a licence isn't required for a radio. I didn't have a licence for years (no TV) and listened to the radio very regularly. Many people, probably in this forum, are in that category of listeners.
end of the road wrote: » they have contributed by sending money home to their families, who have spent said money on their costs to live, which in turn will have had tax paid on the income by the businesses and services where the families spent the money. so they actually did contribute, all be it they gave the money to others to do it.
0lddog wrote: » Thats exactly it. People dont seem to appreciated the poverty in this country in the 40s and 50s and how important foreign remittances were back then.
GarIT wrote: » I completely disagree but there is no point going back and forth endlessly so I will leave it at this point.
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