blanch152 wrote: » If you were truly comfortable in the knowledge that "Mayo had the best county team in the country in the mid 2010s", then you wouldn't be bothered posting on this thread. You would be over in your own county thread posting about Mayo. The bitterness drips from your posts, and is obvious to see so the only one you are fooling is yourself. As for history, even if you and the others succeed in your madness to split Dublin, history will see that the Dublin team was so good that the only way they could beat them was to split the county. The legend of the five-in-a-row will be enhanced rather than diminished. There will be an asterix forever more on anyone who won a subsequent All-Ireland - you wouldn't have won it if Dublin hadn't been split. As for much rathering Mayo's record, that is a joke.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Not really, because unlike yourself, I value the gaa as a whole and dont want to see it destroyed. Your concern begins and ends with dublin and turkeys dont vote for christmas. As for the rest of your spiel. Dublin is a de facto province, so it would have needed to be split. What you are saying would be true if they tried to split kerry for example, but they are obviously not the same thing. I would be totally against that actually and would consider any subsequent all ireland not worth winning, which blows out of the water this idea that I only want my own county to win.
Floppybits wrote: » So when you say split Dublin is this only for the Senior Football team or is it for all teams?
Mr. Incognito wrote: » I wouldn't split the County. I'd split the funding and the issue will evaporate.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Not particularly. Im comfortable in the knowledge that mayo had the best county team in the country in the mid 2010s. Dublin are not a county team. They are a financially doped provincial side. Only a fool would take their financial five in a row seriously or count any of those wins as meaningful. History will treat the period from 2013 on with derision and scorn, you cant see it coming because you are too caught up in your own hubris. Id much rather mayos record to be honest.
Coillte_Bhoy wrote: » ffs stop embarrassing yourself, and i can assure you that as a Mayoman for all that im proud as hell of the team, i'd much rather Dublins' record. And there will be no asterisks in the history books
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Well that is where you and me differ. I wouldnt want it because the competition it laughably unfair. The good is completely taken out of it. What is the point? It isnt sport or anything like it. Id have more pride in my county and belief in the people in it that we could compete with the best on an even footing. Some people rather shooting fish in a barrel, that is your business.
Coillte_Bhoy wrote: » Im guessing thats where you and 99% of Mayo fans differ tbh. I follow Celtic and do we get bored dominating the Scottish domestic game every season? Nope, ya it'd be nice to have a bit of a challenge, but what can you do if other clubs dont step up to the mark?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » That seems like a handy tactic for you to run and hide when you have been caught out. Because this is one of your many lengthy posts. But suddenly you do not claim to have the time!
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Basically, you do not want to address the Dublin club football champions losses between 2013 and 2019 to other counties, nor Dublin's dip in intercounty hurling since 2013 as it does not suit your narrative. This is the third or fourth time you have dodged these questions and I find that very telling. Your silence on the question incriminates you
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Again how many of Dublin's victories in the AI football final were more than one score? They were enjoyable games for the neutral. Mayo have won the league this year, Kerry have won the league last year. Cork have won the u21 this year, Kildare won the u21 last year, Kildare have won the minor this year. Kerry recently have won a five in a row at minor. Yet you paint this as Dublin dominating indefinitely? To me that is utterly incredulous and has the usual hyperbolic tone associated with your posts. Based purely on speculation.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » There was an awful lot of kick passing in that Dublin Kerry game. The mark has worked superbly in gaelic football. The handpassing issue only occurred as a direct result of the negative tactics of Donegal, Tyrone. It would be stupid to bring the ball into the tackle in that scenario. Dublin have the ability to mix and match thier tactics. As regards the standard of the last Dublin v Kerry game - look at the stats of both teams and the number of wides - can you find a game with better stats? Or even just name a game you thought was a better quality?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » This is really laughable every county has S&C coaches you are making out that they supermen. Also you have tripped yourself up on the Dublin bench. In the crunch games the Dublin bench have started to be found to be wanting. It is the same core of aging players. Even TSG have cottoned on to this. Do Kerry people still get that level of fear when Kevin Mc comes of the bench? How did Costello perform from the bench in recent games for example? Did Connolly perform as he has done in previous years?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Cork have faded against many teams not just Dublin. If you truly analyse Dublin's success against both Kerry, Mayo in particular it was not just down to S&C, it was because of tactical nous and heart. Your own Kieran Donaghy analysed the drawn game. And Dublin pushed right up on Kerry even when they only had 14. Cluxton even pushing out on the Kerry forward. This left an effective 14 on 14 out the field for a lot of the time when Dublin pushed up. When the Dublin players attacked they deliberately focused on one side They cleverly left the free Kerryman on the far side of the field, so it was difficult for other players to see him. I can see through what you are trying to, you are trying to downplay Dublin's undoubted game intelligence, skill, and tactical acumen, and place the main reason down to brute force. I find this ironic coming form a Kerryman who is supposed to appreciate 'footballers' head up etc
gormdubhgorm wrote: » How is it a good phrase as you are using it incorrectly!? It is to do with the purchasing of players in a professional sport. The definition of the phrase is not even close to your intended meaning/slur.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Come on this argument seems very weak. Kerry and Cork have had a seeded Munster championship for years. A province where most of the other counties were mainly hurling ones. Clare won more then Kerry between 1987 and 2000? Do you mean thier munster football win in 92? Their first since 1917!
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Not true as I said above dip in standard of Dublin and the number of players from the 2011 team (11) , and the 2013 team (7) that are still on the panel. Other counties winning the league u21 and minor etc very recently. The aging Dublin bench etc.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I get the feeling you not want to address the definition of 'financial doping' as you know it is not applicable to Dublin GAA, or any GAA for that matter. It is much easier for you to gloss over it and go 'haha' Again the use of the phrase 'financial doping' - you do not seem to understand its meaning and try to apply it to an amateur sport!
gormdubhgorm wrote: » The rest of the paragraph reads like a fella back tracking furiously when he has being caught out and looks stupid These posts read like a fella who is really backtracking. I assume you were supporting Dublin in all those finals since 2013 against Tyrone and Mayo?
blanch152 wrote: » This is silly now. The provincial system has been an unfair institutionalised advantage to Kerry for a century or more. Picking out one 13-year period just after the second greatest team of all time was representing Kerry is disingenuous at best.
blanch152 wrote: » Then you follow it up by saying that you "would be just as quick to criticise any unfair advantages Kerry have if they were ruining the game in a manner equivalent to Dublin." When are Waterford ever going to win a football provincial title given the century of advantages built up by Kerry. Do you agree that the only way to reverse that long tradition of Kerry success that has created a psychological hold on the province is to split Kerry in two?
blanch152 wrote: » Certainly, it is top of my list for fixing Munster, together with some amalgamations. I don't expect you to agree, because like some Mayo supporters on here, your primary motivation is attacking Dublin, not creating a fair and level competition.
blanch152 wrote: » One thing for certain is, the only way of persuading people to accept change, is if it is genuinely driven by the need to equalise competition rather than selfish motives for their own county. That is why a prerequisite for me for any conversation is that splitting Kerry is on the same agenda as splitting Dublin. No point in replacing a Dublin five-in-a-row with a Kerry seven-in-a-row built on removing Kerry's only real rival. We can have a proper conversation once you accept the principle that splitting Kerry is as necessary as splitting Dublin.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I could say the same thing about non-dubs erins isle covers a huge catchment area one club same with round towers clondalkin as big as some counties. Both unsuccessful. No GDA as far as I know. Also I would argue with today's technology are games development admins really required to be there in person? All that is really needed are instructional videos, skype calls with volunteer coaches? All easily done with little cost. It is not that difficult to follow instruction is it? Just takes a bit of planning.
bruschi wrote: » Both clubs have a GPO as of the last listing I can find.https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/tstblikbtwvqfubdiwpe.pdf Actually, a quick search on it shows that Ballymuns previous GPO Shane Treanor is now Round Towers GPO.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » The problem with that is dublin do have a large number of youth players and if you cut off the funds you end up starving them of the game. Stagnating development of the game isnt the way to go. That is why the funds should continue, albeit evened up a little, but the county should be split. It takes away all the problems surrounding dublin and they still get two very strong player bases. The dubs know this too. That is why all they can do is just attack the poster's county, or the poster themselves, and pile in to like each others comments over and over. Startled earwigs all over again. If not that then they just push already disproven nonsense and then refuse to engage on it. Its sad stuff. You would swear them just admitting the truth would mean it was going to be taken away from them. We are on an anonymous internet forum ffs...
Mr. Incognito wrote: » Can they not rely on volunteers like every other county
ArielAtom wrote: » There’s that legendary Kirry wit����������. There’s volunteers in every county. Nobody has ever said differently, just the folks with agendas that like to twist words. Anyway back to celebrating 5 in a row. Greatest team ever.
kyote00 wrote: » More 'financial doping' today as Jim Gavin is allowed to graze his sheep in Stephens Green This will seriously disadvantage gaffer91's sheephttps://www.thejournal.ie/jim-gavin-freedom-of-the-city-dublin-gaa-manager-4821096-Sep2019/
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » I do think there are valid questions about funding in the GAA. MayoAreMagic is not asking them.
gaffer91 wrote: » The financial doping/ population/ home advantages are much bigger advantages to Dublin currently than the provincials are to Kerry (or ever have been). The provincials can be done away with- Dublin will still have to be split. The provincials only ever help in qualifying for the All-Ireland semi final/ quarters/ super 8s anyway- Dublin's unfair advantages benefit them for all games. I would be as quick- I'm can see things in an unbiased way, unlike yourself. The provincials can be done away with as above if that is your concern. No, my primary motivation is to create a fair and level competition- I bear no animosity towards Dublin. Again, Kerry don't have the same unfair advantages that Dublin have e.g financial doping, home advantage, population. Those are the reasons Dublin must be split, not just the current dominance. We can have a proper conversation once you accept the principle that splitting Dublin only is necessary because of these unfair advantages.
blanch152 wrote: » Nonsense. Kerry only won 38 All-Irelands because of the insitutional bias built in over a century. If you truly want a fair and level competition, then splitting Kerry is on the agenda as much as Dublin, so is amalgamating small unsuccessful counties. As I have said already, accept that principle and we can have a real discussion, not a discussion driven by the unhappiness of Mayo and Kerry fans.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » But it isnt, that is nonsense logic. Any county can build that ethos if they so wish. This is not something that is only available to Kerry. Nobody else can follow dublins blueprint. To do so we would have to join up the rest of the country into 2 teams and rob numerous banks. Even then the travel involved would make it unworkable. Amalgamating could be opted into if counties so wished. If they didnt then fair enough as it only affects themselves. The only proper option available is to split dublin. It is laughable that you can see that, or at least, wont say it. Like you can admit it here. Doing so wont mean that it happens. Im pretty sure congress arent waiting on your admittance to start the process.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » A GPO is different to a GDA though?
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