RedDevil55 wrote: » When you can't argue for Dublin keeping all their advantages you may as well start attacking the poster. Good luck to you.
RedDevil55 wrote: » Your first 2 paragraphs are rubbish. Croke Park is supposed to be the national stadium, not Dublin's home. Where are you going with a new 60k stadim? There were only 14000 at some Dublin league games this year. With attendances through the floor, Leinster semi-finals no longer need to be played in Croke Park.
Strumms wrote: » Dublin warm up in front of their supporters which in turn means the opposition will warm up in front of their supporters. If they get the same dressing room that means opposition will do too. They play more games there as it’s the only GAA stadium big enough and equipped enough to facilitate both the demand from Dublin and Kerry, Dublin and Cork etc. Would people advocate money being freed up to build a 60,000 seater stadium in Dublin to supposedly enable Croke Park to become more of a neutral venue ? All be it a far less utilized venue ? A bit white elephant that facilitates four or so games a year ?
Strumms wrote: » Unfortunately the sort of individual who tries to poke holes in success, to dismantle achievements by innuendo and so on, just doesn’t deserve to be reasoned with.. if they are that stupid to believe that money is the factor let them explain why between 74-94... 20 years, Dublin won 4, Kerry 8.
TrueGael wrote: » Because playing against kids in empty Croker is the same as against an athletic Juggernaut like the Golden Child. Good lord the ridiculous things ye will say to divert from the doping....... And to bring up the COE for Kerry is beyond laughable, it had to be FUNDRAISED for like the other COEs around the country to be which involved HARD WORK over many years I know ye are used to getting everything handed to ye but that isn't the reality for ordinary gaels outside the
RedDevil55 wrote: » Dublin warm up in front of the hill every game, get the same dressing room every game and get to march on the crowd side of the pitch every pre match parade. Ticket allocations are the same for all GAA games. Dublin play more games there than any other county plays in their home stadium. I don't see how this is even a debate?
odyssey06 wrote: » Young players? You mean like the Kerry minor football teams who have won so many recent titles ... in Croke Park? They seem to adjust on the fly fairly well. But then in this thread there seems to be so many rules for Kerry versus Dublin its laughable in the transparency of the motives and agenda.
odyssey06 wrote: » Its a debate if people incorrectly equate it to Man Utd home advantage in front of 90% home fans in their exclusive stadium. Dublins situation in Croke Park is nothing like that. It is the weakest possible 'home' advantage possible in comparison when we consider ticket allocations, and frequent use of Croke Park for games not involving Dublin.
odyssey06 wrote: » I dont know what your statement proves. Is the Aviva Stadium comparable to Croke Park? What use is that to Dublin GAA? Do Leitrim have such comparable facilities? Dedicated for GAA?
RedDevil55 wrote: » There already are comparable facilities in Dublin city to what Kerry have in their COE. I don't see what that proves?
odyssey06 wrote: » Yep. Here are some facts on that golden era. Between 2000 and 2010 Kerry won 5 senior AIs and finalists in 3 more. One set of rules for Kerry. The paper thin agenda in this thread is laughable in its obvious transparency. Lets not forget the 7 million euros centre of excellence that is always conventiently forgotten about by those pushing that same agenda.
odyssey06 wrote: » Man Utd play at Old Trafford in front of 90 percent of their own fans. Neutral games there are rare. Not remotely comparable to when Dublin play in Croke Park. Kerry and Mayo have played there in many times before against Dublin and others, in a city with a large number of their own fans resident. Dublin and Kerry received equal allocations for the AI games... Dublin have home pitch advantage but it is nothing like true home advantage in rugby or soccer games.
tritium wrote: » Pretty much nail on the head The idea that some folks are selling that the AI was an egalitarian utopia pre 2011, with only pure shkill winning out is really laughable
blanch152 wrote: » What a load of bitter nonsense, particularly the bits I am quoting from your post. Kerry have benefitted unfairly since the introduction of inter-county competition by the provincial system. That is doubled down by the failure of the GAA to promote hurling outside of Munster and Kilkenny. That has meant Kerry got a free ride to All-Ireland semifinals for decades, all because of an unfair and biased structure that lumped Kerry into a province dominated by hurling. Institutional discrimination in favour of Kerry. Most of the posters on this issue come from three counties - Meath, Kerry and Mayo. Why? Because they have no interest in equal competition, only in doing down what they see as the obstacle to their county’s provincial or All-Ireland success. As I keep saying, splitting Kerry, amalgamating other counties and restructuring the competition are what is needed to ensure a level competition. Splitting Dublin would be a part of that overall package. This is immediately rejected by the anti-Dubs because of their own selfish motives.
gaffer91 wrote: » Various reasons but none of them include unfair advantages like financial doping, massive population and home pitch advantage I'm pro- Gaelic Games, not anti-Dublin. Munster has some semblance of competition- Cork and Kerry, one third of the teams. Gaelic games are thriving in Munster generally albeit it is mostly hurling..
Bonniedog wrote: » It is a good forum and I post about many aspects of GAA. I don't think you have ever even indicated what county man you are? Or posted about their teams?
ClanofLams wrote: » Saw this on twitter today, interesting reading. When it was agreed to increase funding to Dublin in ‘02 it was done so with the intention of splitting Dublin. Tommy Lyons, Dublin manager at the time hadn’t any issue with it.https://martinwynne.home.blog/2019/09/17/the-gaa-strategic-review-why-was-it-not-fully-implemented/ Have never advocated Dublin being split myself, just wanted to see funding imbalances sorted. Do think it may be too late now even if funding were to be sorted tomorrow.
TrueGael wrote: » Thats like Bury FC (RIP) going to Man City to copy their methods or the local corner shop asking Tesco or Dunnes on what the magic sauce is........ Make no mistake the continued collapse in attendances in the GAAs golden goose will eventually force the split, its a matter of when not if
TrueGael wrote: » A handful of times compared the golden child, particularly for the many young players on those particular 2 teams who dont get to acclimatised to the surroundings with 4/5 league games and doddle Leinster Championship "games" and instead have to adjust on the fly in high pressure occasions
TrueGael wrote: » Says the lad with nearly 5.5 k posts with me being under 300 and only an 11 month difference in joining up here Yeah good one chief
odyssey06 wrote: » What is the % ticket allocation for Man Utd fans when they play at Old Trafford in the competitions listed? What was the % ticket allocation for Dublin's games v Mayo and Kerry? How many times have Mayo and Kerry played in Croke Park in last 5 years. Come on. Answer up. Ah the poor folk of Kerry. Did they not take up their 13000 allocated tickets for the AI final cos they spent 7 million euros on their centre of excellence? Did they heck. The GAA could never have afforded to redevelop Croke Park and provide capital grants to fund stadia around the country, if the Dublin fans werent on Hill 16 but in some new Dublin home ground. Thats the real world reason why Dublin play there. Its not an unfair advantage conspired at by Dublin.
Bonniedog wrote: » Will he ever stop do you think? Can't be good for the chap.
TrueGael wrote: » Before the days before HQ moved ye there permanently , you'd have a leg to stand on but that is a decade gone now of the same ground and routine so you dont Man U only play half of their league games half of their European games there so again level playing field that doesnt exist here. It isnt feasible to expect much poorer economy wise counties on the West Coast to bring any where near the same crowd to your ground when they have to pay big travel costs and long journeys to get there as well as tiny fractions of population so more nonsense
