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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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Discussion of all matters relating to this contentious subject is welcome and the potential implications of same.This thread is solely for this purpose.

There appears to be a perception that the moderators are attempting to shut down discussion of this topic and direct same off to a low traffic stickied thread.Nothing could be further from the truth.Our sole motive was to confine discussion to a single thread and prevent cross thread posting which was adversely affecting the enjoyment of fellow posters.

Can we please keep posts civil and constructive in nature.

The Changes in the GAA-super thread is now for discussion of all other suggested reforms not relating to Dublin GAA.

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Right, a separate warning to both sides in this debate:
Firstly, any more mentioning of "financial doping" or any intimation that rules have been broken by Dublin or that Dublin have cheated are banned from now on. You can debate the issue of the funding that Dublin have received without resorting to that. There is zero evidence of it and posting about it will be considered trolling from here on in.

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Titzon Toast

It's an absolute disgrace how much money the Dubs have spent in the transfer market over these last few years alright.

Buying up all the best talent from less fortunate counties for exorbitant fees and offering the players wages that other counties just can't match.

Wait till they start poaching Premiership players and demanding that they start using their hands.

There'll be no stopping them, Joe.

Fann Linn

gaffer91 wrote: »

It's very sad really. Gaelic Football was and is a great sport but the showpiece event has been completely ruining by financial doping and other advantages enjoyed by Dublin.

What's almost as bad is their supporters who stick their heads in the sand and try to argue over and over that the status quo is fair. Imagine being so biased you'd see the inter- county game destroyed rather than see every team compete fairly.

Interest is waning, the buildup has been incredibly muted for a Dublin- Kerry final where five in a row is at stake. Unthinkable even 15 years ago. Attendances are well down. Win or lose this weekend, Dublin will have to be split if the All Ireland competition is to survive.

Plenty of hype in Dublin and Kerry with walls being painted and sheep being sprayed and tickets like hens teeth. Scarce.
Wouldn't expect such excitement to be shown in Carlow or elsewhere.

[Deleted User]

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s damn all buzz around Dublin for this.

It’s got to the stage that even Dublin ppl are bored and have turned off

Dublin GAA and various politicians (Bertie) along with Croke Park have managed to absolutely 99% ruin their marquee championship.

Well done all ....

It's very sad really. Gaelic Football was and is a great sport but the showpiece event has been completely ruining by financial doping and other advantages enjoyed by Dublin.

What's almost as bad is their supporters who stick their heads in the sand and try to argue over and over that the status quo is fair. Imagine being so biased you'd see the inter- county game destroyed rather than see every team compete fairly.

Interest is waning, the buildup has been incredibly muted for a Dublin- Kerry final where five in a row is at stake. Unthinkable even 15 years ago. Attendances are well down. Win or lose this weekend, Dublin will have to be split if the All Ireland competition is to survive.

DoctaDee

Jaysis that escalated quickly, once again there are those that are ready to jump on the figures as concrete proof in support of their bias.

My understanding of the grant from Leinster Council to Dublin which has been more or less static at 240K per annum is that it's channeled into a specific hurling coaching project for all of Leinster and that Dublin facilitate its implementation.

But then again I don't know for certain, so I'm going off to do a little bit of research.

Tough crowd tonight..

Hammer Archer

Tobecontinu has been permanently banned for constant trolling and re-registering. Please do not respond to their posts any further.

Bonniedog

Le mot juste.

tikkahunter

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s damn all buzz around Dublin for this.

It’s got to the stage that even Dublin ppl are bored and have turned off

Dublin GAA and various politicians (Bertie) along with Croke Park have managed to absolutely 99% ruin their marquee championship.

Well done all ....

Bunting all up around my area , flags on poles and all the kids wearing their jerseys going to school this morning and no tickets to be got anywhere

beggars_bush

Tobecontinu wrote: »

That's not true. Can you tell me the reason for you to make that statement? Either you don't know the extent of the funding Dublin get or you are lying, which is it?

They are funded as a separate province for games development

d8491prj5boyvg

Tobecontinu wrote: »

Why should other counties merge? Are you ignoring this tweet? Money is the reason for Dublin's dominance. That's why they should be split.

https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/959548617701969922?s=20

Is development among young people in schools, etc? That seems about right, same allocation per capita. The problem is that one team has a population of 1.5m

Tobecontinu

salmocab wrote: »

I was hoping nothing I didn’t post anything about it.

You didn't bother correcting his statement for some reason.

salmocab

Tobecontinu wrote: »

Ohhhhhhh you were hoping no one would check the figures!

I was hoping nothing I didn’t post anything about it.

Dots1982

DoctaDee wrote: »

Dublin are funded as a province from central council, they have no access to Leinster GD funds

No?

Check out who’s getting 239,700 euro in page 22 of this; leinster.clubandcounty.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2018/01/Leinster-Accounts-1.pdf

Tobecontinu

salmocab wrote: »

For someone that was basing their shock on one tweet you suddenly seem to know a lot more.

Ohhhhhhh you were hoping no one would check the figures!

salmocab

Tobecontinu wrote: »

That's not true. Can you tell me the reason for you to make that statement? Either you don't know the extent of the funding Dublin get or you are lying, which is it?

For someone that was basing their shock on one tweet you suddenly seem to know a lot more.

Tobecontinu

DoctaDee wrote: »

Dublin are funded as a province from central council, they have no access to Leinster GD funds

That's not true. Can you tell me the reason for you to make that statement? Either you don't know the extent of the funding Dublin get or you are lying, which is it?

Beechwoodspark

There’s damn all buzz around Dublin for this.

It’s got to the stage that even Dublin ppl are bored and have turned off

Dublin GAA and various politicians (Bertie) along with Croke Park have managed to absolutely 99% ruin their marquee championship.

Well done all ....

DoctaDee

Tobecontinu wrote: »

Don't Dublin get funding from their provincial council?

Dublin are funded as a province from central council, they have no access to Leinster GD funds

Tobecontinu

DoctaDee wrote: »

Would be great to see someone post the additional GD funding other counties received from their provincial councils over the last number of years. Not as an exercise in whataboutery, but to add balance to the figures thrown out as the complete GD funding program

Don't Dublin get funding from their provincial council?

DoctaDee

Would be great to see someone post the additional GD funding other counties received from their provincial councils over the last number of years. Not as an exercise in whataboutery, but to add balance to the figures thrown out as the complete GD funding program

largepants

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

Contradiction? It's either an intercounty championship or it's not. If Dublin is ever split I would never attend another game again and I'm a season ticket holder.

I don't know if it has been suggested on the thread as I have not read it, if others really want to split Dublin and change the county boundary, why don't the other counties lead by example and change their boundary first. Perhaps merging Meath and Kildare or Mayo and Galway as one entity to take on Dublin. I always suggest this to begrudgers in work and they change the subject.

Why should other counties be forced to change when it is Dublin that are the issue? Dublin is only one county.

Tobecontinu

Why should other counties merge? Are you ignoring this tweet? Money is the reason for Dublin's dominance. That's why they should be split.

https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/959548617701969922?s=20

salmocab

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

Contradiction? It's either an intercounty championship or it's not. If Dublin is ever split I would never attend another game again and I'm a season ticket holder.

I don't know if it has been suggested on the thread as I have not read it, if others really want to split Dublin and change the county boundary, why don't the other counties lead by example and change their boundary first. Perhaps merging Meath and Kildare or Mayo and Galway as one entity to take on Dublin. I always suggest this to begrudgers in work and they change the subject.

To be fair it has been talked about here. Talk of splitting or amalgamation is the end of inter county. If two counties decided to merge I’d have no real issue with it but any forcing would be too far. Ultimately though I doubt too many players would be too keen to put the ridiculous amount of time and effort that they currently do into playing for a bit of their county or for their county and another county together. Fans are very unlikely to have much interest either.

angel eyes 2012

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

This is meant to be an Intercounty championship.

Something has to be done

If it takes Dublin winning 10 in a row before GAA HQ split Dublin in 4, so be it.

Contradiction? It's either an intercounty championship or it's not. If Dublin is ever split I would never attend another game again and I'm a season ticket holder.

I don't know if it has been suggested on the thread as I have not read it, if others really want to split Dublin and change the county boundary, why don't the other counties lead by example and change their boundary first. Perhaps merging Meath and Kildare or Mayo and Galway as one entity to take on Dublin. I always suggest this to begrudgers in work and they change the subject.

Inspector Coptoor

Bonniedog wrote: »

That's powerful stuff. Did you come with all yourself?

If you don't get a Pulziter Prize there is truly no justice, but the Pulziter is financially doped and one of the judge's grannies was from Cabra.

Will no-one shout stop. for jaysus sake/

Take off the blue colored glasses, good lad.

Bonniedog

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

The match ups off the pitch are having an unfair bearing on the game.

1.4M population
€17M in funding from GAA over last 10-15 years
€10M from AIG over 10 years

If you can’t accept that the above have had an effect on the recent success of Dublin,, you’re every bit as bad as the “bedgrudgers” who don’t recognize this Dublin team of players as being a fantastic group of talented players.

This is meant to be an Intercounty championship.

How can other counties compete with this blue juggernaut going forward?

The population and funding of a province vs small fish.

I genuinely believe if we had a 5 team competition of Dublin, rest of Leinster, Ulster, Connacht and Munster, Dublin would win every year.

Something has to be done

If it takes Dublin winning 10 in a row before GAA HQ split Dublin in 4, so be it.

That's powerful stuff. Did you come with all yourself?

If you don't get a Pulziter Prize there is truly no justice, but the Pulziter is financially doped and one of the judge's grannies was from Cabra.

Will no-one shout stop. for jaysus sake/

EICVD

I’d say the majority of posters on this thread will be depressed AF come Sunday evening/Monday morning

Inspector Coptoor

jay1988 wrote: »

There is, loads of it actually, hopefully some more this weekend.

Its been an absolute pleasure to watch this team over the last few years, they're an amazing team full of top quality players and a top top manager, nothing anyone says can take away from the achievements of this team, its nothing but bitter jealousy from supporters of teams that werent good enough to match up.

The match ups off the pitch are having an unfair bearing on the game.

1.4M population
€17M in funding from GAA over last 10-15 years
€10M from AIG over 10 years

If you can’t accept that the above have had an effect on the recent success of Dublin,, you’re every bit as bad as the “bedgrudgers” who don’t recognize this Dublin team of players as being a fantastic group of talented players.

This is meant to be an Intercounty championship.

How can other counties compete with this blue juggernaut going forward?

The population and funding of a province vs small fish.

I genuinely believe if we had a 5 team competition of Dublin, rest of Leinster, Ulster, Connacht and Munster, Dublin would win every year.

Something has to be done

If it takes Dublin winning 10 in a row before GAA HQ split Dublin in 4, so be it.

Bonniedog

"Out of Ireland we have come,
Great hatred, little room."

jay1988

Tobecontinu wrote: »

But how can anyone celebrate winning something unfairly? There can't be any glory in that?

There is, loads of it actually, hopefully some more this weekend.

Its been an absolute pleasure to watch this team over the last few years, they're an amazing team full of top quality players and a top top manager, nothing anyone says can take away from the achievements of this team, its nothing but bitter jealousy from supporters of teams that werent good enough to match up.

Beechwoodspark

Hopefully now If they do the 5 in a row it will focus minds for the upcoming congress.

The absolute madness of the last decade + will be there for all to see.

I’d nearly prefer that to Kerry beating them and Dublin arguing that the financial doping has to continue.