blanch152 wrote: » How come neither Frank nor yourself knew that Intersports are on the front of the Mayo jersey?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » That is what it really comes down to the funding is not the issue with many of the posters - merely a smokescreen: to throw dirt at dublin Give the players no credit Mayomagic has already let slip that Kerry created a 'culture' of winning despite Dublin's advantages. Culture is nice code for saying top class managment and players without saying it outright. Mayomagic would never have said Dublin have created a 'culture' - because that would imply orgainsation, structure, planning, great players and so on. In the last post s/he describes Dublin as 'flat track bullies' but there is an inherant contradiction in this it assumes that other teams are weak and are being trampled all-over. Dublin have not won the u20, minor, league, O'Byrne in football this year. Dublin have not won a hurling league since 2011 Dublin have not won a leinster hurling title since 2013 Many of Dublin's AI's have been won my not only skill, but tactical nous and mental strength. Mayomagic knows this but does not focus on it because it will reveal the failings of his/her own county. There has been no heaves similar to the Rochford one in Dublin in GAA driven by players It is people like MayoMagic who scream that football needs to be 'fixed'. But it seems that it is only because it is Dublin. It is OK when Kerry do it. It is OK when Kilkenny dominate hurling and go for a five in a row in 2010 and wallop teams like waterford in 2008 I assume if I trawl through Mayomagic posts at that period I will see a real concern for the state of hurling? Or was it praise for a great team and a great manager?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » The funding is the reason they dont get credit. It isnt a smokescreen it is the key point. They didnt have the funding and werent competitve. They arent going to get the credit that another team who didnt have the funding and dominated anyway got. That is common sense. Now you are redefining what the word culture means too. As for tactical nous, tactics work a lot better when you have 20+ elite players carrying them out. The tactic of running on a load of top class subs to drive on when the opposition are tiring isnt really a tactic is it? It is more just brute force. Your repeated snipes at mayo dont bother me.
blanch152 wrote: » The subs didn't come on the last day until after the 12 minutes of the second half. What is the excuse for that?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Why would it be asked of kerry, when they have an average population? Kilkenny even less than the average. That means the majority of counties could reproduce what they did. How can anyone reproduce what dublin are doing?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Maybe it is because it takes exceptional players and/or an exceptional manager? Dwyer - lifted Kildare/Wicklow/Kerry Fitzy - lifted Wexford McGrath - lifted fermanagh/down Cody - lifted Kilkenny Harte - lifted Tryone Heffo- lifted Dublin McGee -lifted Ofally McGunnniess - lifted Donegal And of course maybe the greatest of them all - Gavin - lifted dublin BOTH at u21 level and senior level - which shows a correlation with the same group of players
MayoAreMagic wrote: » As for tactical nous, tactics work a lot better when you have 20+ elite players carrying them out. The tactic of running on a load of top class subs to drive on when the opposition are tiring isnt really a tactic is it? It is more just brute force. .
gormdubhgorm wrote: » How do you explain how Dwyer lifted Wicklow and McGrath lifted Fermanagh then? Both of those managers had thier teams over-performing with differing tactics. The most famous one of them is Jim McG who got Donegal to over achieve not a spectacular bunch of players by any means. How did he do this through innovation. How did Roscommon win Connacht this year are you saying that Mayo are the defacto third team in the province as Roscommon have more elite players?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Maybe exceptional managers are there but cant really do a whole pile when the thing is completely biased in someone elses favour. If all you need is an exceptional manager then, again, why didnt you do that instead of begging for cash? Why didnt the bluewave just have one line in it - appoint an exceptional manager. Simply hand back all the money if that is the case. Or better yet, split in two and appoint two exceptional managers... Case closed
gormdubhgorm wrote: » OK so I have got you down to a maybe managers make a difference now, Jim McGuinness won an AI beating the mighty Dubs and Magic Mayo ro an AI win Managers are obviously critiacal to a teams success as you well know. Again back to the funding = success myth Mullaninaghta beat Kilmacud Crokes this year. Kilmacud are team who O'Rourke says have six players who would get into any county team , excluding Mannion Rathnew beat Vincents in 2017 Brigids of Roscommon beat an extremely strong Ballymun team in 2013. Corofin from Galway has won three out of the last four AI's All this has happened in recent years with all the massive funding. It just makes a farce of the funding argument. Funding = success in GAA
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Lifted them to what? Are you actually trying to compare wicklow winning a few games at home to dublin being able to win nothing before investment to winning 6 all irelands in 8 years post investment?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » So dublin can be split then. Just appoint two exceptional managers... jim mcguinnes is actually free at the minute...
MayoAreMagic wrote: » Simply hand back all the money if that is the case.
blanch152 wrote: » Intersport Elverys actually.https://www.oneills.com/shop-by-team/gaa-county/mayo-gaa.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtQaa8KhrwvxXzSe7s2A6XFHh_6PXwE7g7JZmMZ9um-O1R6IuE7c5RhoC-h0QAvD_BwE Here is the link again so you can look at an actual Mayo jersey. I was told by you and Frank several times that it was Elverys and not Intersport, right down to the point that Intersport wasn't on the jersey. Now I know that AIG is on the Dublin jersey because I am wearing one every second Saturday or Sunday at a game and I actually watch the games and the players and couldn't help but notice the AIG logo. It both bewilders and bemuses me that you and Frank didn't know Intersport was on the Mayo jersey.
Irish-owned sports retailer Elverys Intersport, which was bought out of examinership by its management nearly three years ago, is looking to expand its chain of stores after recording a sharp increase in revenues.
blanch152 wrote: » Why? It's for the kids, not the senior team.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Jim Mc would not suit Dublin's style. Jayo or Dessie would be the men to get But then you would end up being even more annoyed. You would set your keyboard on fire if there was a Dublin North v Dublin South AI final.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » that rose of Tralee Carry on last night with the dubs jersey and the dog sh1te eloquently shows what ppl outside Dublin think of the Dublin team I find that most Dublin ppl Havnt a clue how lowly their team is viewed outside Dublin. The financial doping and inherent crazy advantages etc. Some are-hence the hyper sensitivity. I don’t condone the rose of Tralee stunt however. Bit OTT and in bad taste.
maestroamado wrote: » I totally agree. Thankfully i did not see what i think is repulsive incident but heard about today on media, i am from outside pale (west) and though i do not agree with how dominant Dublin at moment as bad for game in my opinion i am disgusted with this. I think the fact that RTE and the presenter allowed this puts a question mark on their judgment.
Edgware wrote: » Usual pathetic effort from R.T.E. and that village idiot. Of course there are inbreds in the country whose highlight of the week is Winning Streak or that other flute on Marty's Party but most people in the country recognise Dublin as the great team they are
RoyalCelt wrote: » This thread will be fun after Sunday! This young kerry team have potential but I predict Dublin will have better young players emerge over the next 10 years then kerry. I think Dublin will keep winning Sam and eventually it will sink into all in kerry that they won't be beating Dublin again. Their standard will drop as they'll struggle to commit their best players or to give so much to the cause. There's talk in here of splitting Dublin in 4. That's crazy talk imo. Yes decided 4 ways they'd still have a major advantage over most but imo they don't have to be made completely equal. We all know if things were equal Dublin wouldn't win Sam ever again. That's not good. We want a Dublin who can win Sam and leinster just not every single year. It has to be a North and south Dublin. If there comes a day when North and south dominate every single year then consider a west Dublin team too. But for now it has to be 2 Dublin teams. North vs South will be the el classico of the GAA and will bring the sport to New heights.
Edgware wrote: » There will be changes and when the other "traditional" (I hate using the term) counties get their act together we will see counties like Kerry Cork Meath Kildare Galway coming through.
RoyalCelt wrote: » But for now it has to be 2 Dublin teams. North vs South will be the el classico of the GAA and will bring the sport to New heights.
hardybuck wrote: Galway were able to bring Johnny Glynn home from America pretty much every week to hurl. Mayo have a minibus that brings lads back and forth from Dublin to Mayo a couple of times a week, and I'm sure a number of counties are able to get sponsors and other fundraisers to pay for that. But can the smaller counties, and the players themselves, sustain it?
