TomOnBoard wrote: » What's the "1st image" you're referring to?
Nolan Savory Warden wrote: » You mean the very 1st image (painting/scultpure) that comes up on the google? It may even belong to this partner Maxine, my, what a lovely gift. It's also adorned with symbolism.
TomOnBoard wrote: » The 1st image is one previously reported as having been photographed in Ghislaine Maxwel!'s (not Epstein's ) house.
Nolan Savory Warden wrote: » Who is also well regarded as his 'soul-partner' (assuming he had a soul).Super creepy.
Saige Putrid Rainfall wrote: » Rumour has it the pathologist is 85 years of age. Can anyone confirm ? Your man Baden.
TomOnBoard wrote: » While I had a lot of scepticism initially, I feel that the Medical Examiner's finding of 'suicide by hanging' is very convincing. I have to assume that the M.E. is not going to be part of a conspiracy to suppress evidence. I will await the outcome of the ongoing investigations before giving the murder theory much more credence.
Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: » Ah ha ha. I remember when a guy in England was found dead inside a bag locked from the outside. He was a spy. The investigation ruled it was a suicide.
ceadaoin. wrote: » I thought it was death by misadventure or something like that, not suicide? Like they said that was his fetish. Locking himself in a bag in a bathtub. From the outside. Without leaving any fingerprints or traces of DNA. Sounds believable doesn't it?
In the mid-Eighties, for instance, he was trying to persuade wealthy investors to sink their money into an oil-drilling deal — but when one of them wanted his money back, Epstein refused to pay. The investor sued and the case was settled out of court, in secret. Shortly after that, one (now estranged) friend says he had to loan Epstein the money to settle a repair bill to the garage that had seized his car for non-payment. Diana Crane, a former model, says Epstein would press first-class upgrades on people, insisting that no friend of his should ever fly economy class. ‘Sometimes the upgrades worked and other times they didn’t,’ Crane says. ‘I remember he saw a friend of mine wearing a Concorde jacket [a souvenir of a flight on the supersonic passenger jet]. He asked if he could borrow it. My friend never got the jacket back, but Epstein would tell people he always flew on Concorde — a total lie.’ The wife of one business associate saw through him and the way he was worming his way into their inner circle. She called him ‘the virus’. <snip> Where this power and wealth came from is still a mystery. Epstein claimed to be a financial adviser who specialised in helping billionaires avoid tax. Better to pay him $5 million, he would say, than to hand the taxman seven times that sum. But even if this is how he acquired his wealth, or even if the story is only partly true, his path to riches is far from clear.source
volchitsa wrote: » Which is why a paid killer who wanted to disguise it as suicide would undoubtedly have made a better job of it.
The idea that the killers were so well protected that the inquest judge made the facts available to the public but then found against his own facts is even harder to believe. They could have done better than that and a lot more easily by keeping some of those facts quiet. Given the level of cover up needed for the conspiracy theory version to work.
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » Epstein wasn't the worst of them, he didn't shoot up a school full of kids, nor was he a serial rapist who lurked in dark alley ways, leaving his victims for dead. He used his money to manipulate young women into massages, its hardly the crime of the century. He died for knowing too much, not for the laws he broke.
Epstein’s demands became violent, picking Alison up by her ponytails and throwing her against the wall before sexually assaulting her. ‘I mean, there’s been nights I left there barely able to walk.’source
While there’s no direct evidence contained in the court record substantiating her accounts with prominent men, Giuffre did provide testimony and evidence to corroborate her claims of exploitation at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell through photographs, plane logs and even a medical record from Presbyterian Hospital in New York where Giuffre was taken by Epstein after a particularly abusive sex episode. Her story was also supported by a sworn deposition from an ex-boyfriend, whom she told about the abuse at the time, and another woman who worked as an assistant for Maxwell and Epstein named Johanna Sjoberg. Sjoberg, who was a college student at Palm Beach Atlantic University when she was recruited by Maxwell, said that Maxwell’s primary role in Epstein’s life was to provide him with young girls at least three times a day. “He explained to me that, in his opinion, he needed to have three orgasms a day. It was biological, like eating,’’ Sjoberg said in a sworn deposition in 2015.source
batgoat wrote: » While I'm not remotely happy that he's dead because it will prevent convictions, you are entirely diminishing his crimes. He engaged in sex trafficking of minors. Giuffre alone alleged that he and Maxwell sexually and physically abused her. He viewed the minors as sex slaves and he used them to financially prosper. So it's not simply manipulating women into giving massages, it looks to be far more substantial.
tuxy wrote: » If it was on that scale wouldn't there be more women coming forward now that he's dead? Plenty of money in his estate so it would be worthwhile for them to initiate a civil case. I know many will still be too scared or suffering from psychological issues. But if there were hundreds abused you would expect at least 10 to come forward.
We’ll almost certainly never know how many girls Epstein molested or allowed to be molested by others. Police originally identified more than three dozen possible victims when they investigated in 2005 and 2006. The Herald has since identified nearly 80 girls molested by Epstein, most of whom were listed only as “Jane Doe” in court documents to protect their identities as minors. Most were girls between the ages of 13 and 16 when they were targeted by Epstein as far back as 2001. Many also came from low-income households and thus may have been more susceptible to the cash-for-massage ploy Epstein allegedly used to lure girls to his homes. Witnesses have also testified in subsequent civil-court proceedings that hundreds of additional victims were brought to Epstein from around the world.http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/all-we-know-about-the-new-case-against-jeffrey-epstein.html
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » The Washington Post fuels Epstein conspiracies, but experts say evidence still consistent with suicide. CNN trying hard to downplay the differences in opinion.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/16/media/epstein-washington-post-reliable-sources/index.html Epstein lawyers are now disputing the autopsy findings. And coming out now, MCC jail authorities are not cooperating with the justice department investigation according to Fox News. Just shows how rotten the American justice system is.
zanador wrote: » Having read the entire thread, loads of conspiracy theories and researched thoroughly I have decided that I don't give a toss who killed Epstein I only care that we are living in a world where the sex-traffickers of 14+ year old girls rule us. I don't think anyone can say that this is someone else's problem, this is close to us, these are western leaders, movers and shakers. Who killed Epstein, don't care - my thoughts and wishes are to all those wee children who were manipulated and abused. (That includes women in their early 20s for me too - I definitely didn't have a clue at that age)
Nolan Savory Warden wrote: » The Daily Mail are having plenty of world exclusives, the latest is a photo of Andy peeking out of his house of horrors:Rest of the papers are onto the usual run of brexit, Boris and so on.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs/the_papers
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Why not show the full front page?
Outside the meeting room, Mr. Epstein mounted a strategy to avoid being preyed upon by other inmates: He deposited money in their commissary accounts, according to a consultant who is often in the jail and speaks regularly with inmates there. The jail was a sharp departure from his formerly gilded life, which had included a private island in the Caribbean, a $56 million Manhattan mansion and a network of rich and powerful friends. But in his final days, Mr. Epstein’s efforts to lessen the misery of incarceration seemed to be faltering. He was seldom bathing, his hair and beard were unkempt and he was sleeping on the floor of his cell instead of on his bunk bed, according to people at the jail. <snip> Mr. Epstein was housed in one of a handful of cells in 9 South where inmates could peer out of their small windows and down onto the staff members stationed at the guard desk, according to a prison official. He might have been able to see whether the guards were asleep, the official said.source
But Baden’s success has not been without controversy. In 1979, after just 11-months as the chief medical examiner of New York Mayor Ed Koch fired Baden. He claimed that the hot-shot examiner had lost evidence and worked poorly with prosecutors. Baden later won $100,000 in a wrongful termination case, but he was pushed out of the office nonetheless. A few years later, Baden was fired again, when he worked as the deputy medical examiner in Suffolk County on Long Island, according to the Los Angeles Times. An article in Oui Magazine quoted him giving advice for getting away with “high tech murder.” He later denied the quote, but one of his fellow pathologists grumbled about the ethics of a medical examiner giving “advice on how to kill people,” and Baden was forced out. In 2007, Baden was again in the news for questionable conduct, this time as he took the stand in the Phil Spector murder trial. He had a fresh theory of how Spector's alleged victim had died, one that provided room for the defense to explain some blood on Spector’s jacket. During cross examination, the prosecutor asked Baden if he had any conflict of interest in this case. “None that I can think of,” he said, according to the Los Angeles Times. Moments later it was revealed his wife was one of Spector’s main attorneys.source
"Fractures of the hyoid bone in suicide hangings are rare and when you further keep in mind this was not a suicide hanging from stepping off a high ladder," said Wecht. According to reports, Epstein had tied a bed-sheet to the bunk and kneeled on the ground and then leaned forward to kill himself. That maneuver, Wecht said, is not conducive to breaking bones. "In majority of those you don't see fractures because there is no great amount of force," said Wecht. "It's basic physics." Death would likely come from pressure applied to the neck and cut off circulation of nerves, particularly the vagus nerve, which is the tenth cranial nerve and longest nerve in the body, Wecht said.source There have been no actual pictures of the cell yet, several floating around but nothing confirmed as being the actual cell.
There have been no actual pictures of the cell yet, several floating around but nothing confirmed as being the actual cell.
