citytillidie wrote: » How come Scotland and Wales both in the UK will play Flower of Scotland and Land of my Father's instead of God Save the Queen.
Matt Barrett wrote: » I'd suggest it's because they are countries and N.I. is merely a portion of one Irish province in Ireland but under British rule currently.
blanch152 wrote: » The GFA got rid of the territorial claim, so you are wrong.
RobMc59 wrote: » As per usual francie you like to pontificate to others about how they should let the past go yet you are trapped in 'rewind and replay 'mode about what the British did hundreds of years ago-let it go.
Matt Barrett wrote: » You commenting on quotes nobody made again? Do you never get tired of arguing with phantoms? Ulster is an Irish province in Ireland. Did you do geography in school? I never said your pal Leo* was in charge of the occupied portion. *a politician who's party you defend on a regular basis, but do not vote for or support.
blanch152 wrote: » The geography argument has been done to death.Ulster is an Irish province on the island of Ireland, part of the archipelago of the British Isles. You can spin that whatever way you choose, and you do. How many times do I have to tell you that I am not a FG supporter or voter? I won't vote for FG because their environmental policies are not up to scratch. Economically they are better than the alternatives, but that isn't the most important thing, climate change is. You are told this repeatedly, and yet you still come back with the snide underhand sneaky comments about my alleged support for FG. You can tell all that to Leo when he gets home tonight.
Matt Barrett wrote: » And that's what I said. You tried to twist it not I. I accept you're not a Fine Gael supporter. You do defend them at every turn. Just pointing that out. Maybe you didn't realise. Not sneaky, if you can show I'm wrong I'll retract but anytime I criticise FG in you steam roll every single time. No points to be scored on what's common knowledge Blanch.
munsterlegend wrote: » Soldiers song is not the anthem of the rugby team. Ireland’s call (as horrific a dirge that it is) is. Pointless working on something that has already been changed.
downcow wrote: » Now we are into semantics. I have worked to stop the uk anthem being played at Windsor Park. Have you worked to have the ROI anthem stopped being played at the Aviva? simple question
Sofiztikated wrote: » It's not semantics when you are just wrong. It's like that hypocrisy thing, I don't think you actually know what it means. And you've worked to stop GSTQ being played at Windsor? Excuse me for saying this, I call absolute bull**** on this. You're talking 100% Tony.
downcow wrote: » I am not Tony. I have made endless phonecalls to the IFA and even reported them to UEFA for the 'no surrender' chant (done by a very few and decreasing number) within GSTQ . My rational was that they would get threatened with fines and the only way to stop it was to stop GSTQ. Now Sofiz thats what you call trying to create change in your own community as opposed to pointing at the other. Now remind me what you have done to stop the playing of the SS in Aviva when both countries are playing in a united team??
FrancieBrady wrote: » Please stay within the bounds of credibility. Why would somebody who cannot see that stopping kids(if it is just kids) engaging in bigotry and provocation is a good thing suddenly get concerned about an anthem. Funny lad!
downcow wrote: » I am not surprised you don't understand. The NI team and the GAWA are probably the cultural/identity thing that means most of all to me. What might surprise you is that I love the way they have been at the forefront of developing a true NI identity. The 'sea of Green' initiative that turned windsor from red white and blue to Green. the endless initiatives to develop inclusive songs incl the use of the GAWA chant to drown out anything sectarian in the early days. This all happened in spite of the grey suits in the IFA rather than because of them. It was the fans showed all the courage. It was lovely on a recent away trip to be in the irish pub with not even room to stand with NI fans and to find two dubliners in the middle of it wrapped in a tricolour with arms round their necks by NI fans and all the free drink they could drink. And if you pop onto the ourweecountry.co.uk website you will find that the fans poll on the anthem found that 83% want a NI specific anthen instead of GSTQ (not as well as like Ireland rugby) with only 16% wanting to keep GSTQ. Its the grey suits that are standing in the way of iy. But no you wouldnt understand untill you've shock yourself out of the place i was in in the 80s
munsterlegend wrote: » What are you talking about it? Amhran na Bhfiann is played for rugby as match is in Dublin. It’s not played outside of Dublin. it won’t be played at rugby World Cup even though it’s 10000 times better than Ireland’s call. Aviva also hosts our soccer team so no I will want our anthem played there.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I can understand you guys wanting to be more Irish and not seen as another British team. The Billy Bingham inspired bigotry is a thing of the pastn.
downcow wrote: » So you are happy that a number of your team feel very uncomfortable when it is played. You see I support my team and I want them all the feel good about the anthem played. It’s a pity you won’t compromise
downcow wrote: » Billy Bingham was loved by his catholic and Protestant team and indeed his captain who went to manage your team. A real gentleman
It was the night for many that the mask slipped — if not Bingham’s, then that of the mob he’d egged on. Within a decade, Neil Lennon was receiving death threats.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Which of the team has an issue with it? Link please. Has any one on the crowd an issue with it?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I was at the game when his mask slipped downcow, I was one of those afraid to cheer our own goalscorer, it was nauseating to watch. A stain on his career.
munsterlegend wrote: » Has our anthem ever stopped anyone playing rugby for Ireland? No Has gstq up in Belfast stopped people playing for the north? Yes I think it has.
downcow wrote: » Context my dear chap context. I was at the game I guess you are referring to. Could you tell me what the problem was and was it only one side guilty??
downcow wrote: » Take a wee look at your captain for one. Are you really so blind to see it. I find that hard to believe. I have prod friends who go to games they tell the technique is to make sure you happen to be standing before it starts and then you don’t need to get up for it.
downcow wrote: » So who are you saying are the intolerant ones. I think you shot yourself in the foot there.
munsterlegend wrote: » Context? So you can promote sectarian chanting as manager? That night was disgusting but the republic had the last laugh.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'm sure your friends are like that downcow, in fact I'd be surprised if they weren't. Any rugby match I go to all the crowd treat the anthem with respect. You should maybe go to one. My wife is a 'prod' and so are my children, I do wish you would stop speaking for them. Perhaps the term you are looking for is the one she uses ...'Orange Prod', which she very much isn't.
downcow wrote: » I am guessing it’s her anthem so why would she have a problem with.
downcow wrote: » More urban myth. roi and Jc in particular were shocked we didn’t just lie down and hand it to you’s. that was the problem. The atmosphere was electric and bb encouraged the fans to up the volume. And yes I’m sure there was sectarian stuff. But the context was we had played in Dublin and been sustained ira chants etc. Roi had lobbied fifa to get the game moved to England which was a disgusting trick and if they had succeeded may have meant we wouldn’t have had home games again for years - a dirty action There were roi fans in our stand and no one interfered with them. There was one roi fan in the away fans section I remember got up and held a picture of Celtic up to the home fans. He was marched out by the police and He was disciplined by his employer boi following it It was also it a time of intense violence in ni But sure why let thrush stand in the way of a true story. If you were there you should be able to tell us what was so terrible in your view. Old Jc was very upset at the chants of ‘England b team’ And be careful with untruths as I might have evidence lol
