BorneTobyWilde wrote: » If he did hang himself how did he remove the rope and make it disappear while dead.
TomOnBoard wrote: » Two studies reported that a broken hyoid also occurs in suicides by hanging. One study found it in 6% of cases, while another found it in 20+%. The greater incidence apparently occurs in cases involving more elderly people. I see that most reports are saying that 'multiple' neck bones were broken, 'including the hyoid'. Very little is being said about the other bones that were broken, with the focus being placed on the hyoid. Clearly, the authorities are being a bit hesitant about issuing a more complete assessment of the damage at this time. This leaves way too much room for speculation to occur. They need to get the complete picture out asap, as otherwise wild speculation will only increase.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » The theory out there ( officially) he hanged himself using a bunk bed thats only 5 or 6 foot tall. Consider here Epstein supposedly near 6 foot. How can he hang himself? I don't understand how he would have to strength and space to do it? Supposedly the sheets are made of light paper? He must weigh at least 190 pounds?
TomOnBoard wrote: » The sheets would have been paper-like if he had been still on suicide watch. However, he had been off suicide watch for some time, so would have had 'normal' bedding. The reports of how he did it say that he would have put his weight on the 'noose' by falling forward and bending his knees, thereby resulting in a self-strangulation, rather than a drop-hanging.
Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: » No suicide theory seems consistent. If it was jumping off the bunk bed he didn’t have the height. Self strangulation isn’t consistent with the injuries.
tuxy wrote: » You can't suicide two people in custody in such a short space of time, it would look a bit suspicious
TomOnBoard wrote: » I haven't seen any report suggesting that he might have jumped off the top bunk, so I dont see that as a runner. I also need to see a rational explanation for how there would be 'multiple' broken neck bones in the 'bent knees' scenario. I can accept that the hyoid could be broken in that scenario, but the breach of 'multiple' bones in the neck stretches believability to me as a layman.
raze_them_all_ wrote: » You can hang yourself from a sink
Tony EH wrote: » No, you can strangle yourself, but it certainly isn't easy and it takes an enormous amount of willpower to actually do it.
tuxy wrote: » People frequently kill themselves in that way though. You could say it takes an enormous amount of willpower but it doesn't take an unusual amount or else it wouldn't happen so frequently.
Tony EH wrote: » I don't know how "frequent" it is. But I certainly wouldn't say that it's a common way of checking out. There are easier ways. Much easier ways.
raze_them_all_ wrote: » In a prison there isn't. You got blade, od or hanging.
Tony EH wrote: » I'm not limiting it to a prison situation. But, if we're doing so, then maybe. The point still remains, though, it takes an enormous amount of willpower to do it.
tuxy wrote: » It's not even that unusual for kids to do it as a game, it was common in my school. Holding someones neck until they pass out then let go. The person gets a massive rush of euphoria as they wake up. Blocking the carotid artery is far less painful than hanging with feet off the ground.
Tony EH wrote: » That's someone doing it to you though. That's not the same as strangling yourself. Weird kids you "hung" around with. :pac:
Epstein was originally placed in a cell with a roommate, reported to have been a particularly violent ex-police officer. At some point, according to CNN, “that person was removed for reasons unknown.” The same unnamed source told CNN that “It’s protocol for inmates coming off suicide watch not to be placed alone in a cell.” A federal official told the nation’s most hilarious source of news that “no foul play was suspected.” An autopsy was performed August 11, but results have not yet been released. Michael Baden, a Fox News contributor known to JFK assassination researchers as a reliable establishment tool whose work with the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that Oswald acted alone, observed the proceedings. Epstein was charged with sexual trafficking of underage girls in 2007, and received a “sweetheart deal” courtesy of future Trump Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta, and future Trump nemesis Robert Mueller. He was arrested again in early July of this year, charged by New York prosecutors (among them the daughter of Trump nemesis James Comey) with operating a traffic ring of underage girls. Eyebrows were further raised when his trial date was postponed until next year, in a decidedly unusual move. <snip> According to Joseph Recarey, the lead detective on Epstein’s case, he was in effect operating a “sexual pyramid scheme.” Brown discovered about 80 women who claim they were molested or otherwise sexually abused by Epstein, and most assume the total number is much higher. “He told me he wanted them as young as I could find them,’’ Courtney Wild, who recruited 70 or 80 girls for Epstein, told Brown. “He wanted as many girls as I could get him. It was never enough.’’ <snip>In March, the ninety six year old judge overseeing a key lawsuit against Epstein died. Now, at that age, sudden death is hardly unexpected. The question should be; what was a judge that old doing overseeing an important case? Are there 96 year old judges anywhere, overseeing any case?source
Maxwell, 57, the alleged madam to the multimillionaire pedophile, was scarfing down a burger, fries and shake al fresco at an In-N-Out Burger on Monday while reading “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives,” a nonfiction best seller by journalist Ted Gup. Sitting alone with a pet pooch, she was surprised to be found and told an onlooker, “Well, I guess this is the last time I’ll be eating here!”source
In our conversation in 2015, you described his relationship with teenage girlfriends: “So many time I tried to stop him. I try to tell tell him my opinion about that. He don’t listen to me. That’s the reason why I’m not working for him no more. I make him do that — to let me go.” Do you remember saying that? It’s not the teenage girls. I never see the teenage girls. I tell you I never see teenage girls. Plenty of times when I work for him I never see anything unproper or teenage girls around him. That’s what I say.source
notobtuse wrote: » There is one thing that doesn’t make sense to me regarding all the theories he was offed… He continued his wicked ways even after he was given his sweetheart deal back in 2008. This means double jeopardy wouldn’t apply for anything he did after the deal. Since it seems most knew that he continued with illegal acts he would probably once again be charged. So, if people were worried of being exposed by him some time in the future, why not off him while he walked around free as a bird for 10 years? It would have been easy for the rich and powerful to make it look like an accident.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » So many questionsOf Epsteins, Lolitas and Hoaxes
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Who would the go to get underage children from if they killed him?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » This may end up like the JFK conspiracy. Who killed Epstein?
