snotboogie wrote: » Once you reach a certain critical mass you can compete, plenty of countries with under 10 million can consistently compete with nations with around 100 million. The issue in GAA is that the counties with the critical mass to compete with Dublin either have a huge portion of their population who won't play GAA (Antrim, Down and Derry) or where football is a minority sport (Cork, Galway and Limerick). Kildade and Meath should provide some hope going forward.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I don't see Bastic being like Fenton with any amount of training. Do you see how fast Fenton is for a start - much lighter on his feet, Bastic not the same type of player at all never will be. The point is often made about McCauley who is probably the most relevant to your argument - that because he is unorthodox he is more likely to cause trouble for backs. You could argue he would not be as good with training. Plus have you noticed that the silky skills of Bernard Brogan (played great in Omagh) was dropped completely for EOG on the bench v Mayo the last day? The only logical reason is that Gavin wanted an awkward lump on the bench v Mayo not a Brogan type player. Plus you should have mentioned Jack McCaffery, He used to do a lot of weight training - but tailed it back because he felt it was slowing him down. If you look at Vinny Murohy his game suffered because of too much bulk - was far better lighter less muscle. What Dublin do is tailor training individually to players strengths like Jack Mc. There is no point in trying to get the likes of Bastic to do skills training not his strength. I assume other counties have cottoned on to this and it is not a 'one size fits all' training that you seem to advocate?
bruschi wrote: » actually just reading that about Alan Brogan is ridiculous. Brogan was absolutely superb off his left foot. Watch any highlight reel of him and you'll see as many scores off his left as his right. He was a fantastic 2 footed player. Brogan was a minor in 2000 and was an excellent player then at club, schools and county level then making his senior debut in 2002. Scully and Howard are far more than "workhorses" too. There is a point where you can accept that there has been excellent financing of Dublin coaching or any other advantages to have, but there is also an acceptance to be made that there are and have been some fantastic players who have played with them too.
odyssey06 wrote: » The central budget doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere. Has its size got nothing to do with the number of fans Dublin bring to the game - both to Croke Park and on TV? It seems to be entirely reasonable, after investing serious money in redeveloping a stadium in the capital city, to have games there and look for big attendances. How could the GAA have paid off Croke Park without those Dublin fans? Not a chance. No way there'd be enough fans & money floating around in last 15 years for pay for the redevelopment of Croke Park, bailing out Páirc Uí Chaoimh, co-funding stadium work around the country and a 25,000 Dublin stadium (which was scuppered by the dysfunctional property market in Dublin and NAMA). If Dublin hadn't been NAMA'd, and had built a stadium on new site, you can be sure that's where they'd be playing their games and that's where the gate money would be going.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » If bastick was getting the professional coaching fenton got throughout his youth he would be a much imporved player, unquestionably. He doesnt have to be an identical player to fenton to make a relevant comparison and that is just disingenuous. As for mccauley being unorthodox... If that is the case then sack all the coaches and you will have 26 unorthodox players to 'surprise' the opposition with... Re mccaffrey. At this point the coaching has already gone in. Fine tuning his weight training program to take advantage of his pace is not the same thing at all - that happens in the intercounty setup. We are talking about his technique being developed from 12 up. Im sure you already know this. It is clear you are more interested in trying to stifle the points with poor comparisons etc than discussing the point
RoyalCelt wrote: » While it's true about large Dublin crowds at the leinster championship helping to pay off Croker as yourself why there were huge crowds. You'd have a leinster final with 60k Dubs and 20k from Laois. Or 30k from Kildare and 50k from Dublin. You'd have a quarter final with 25k from Meath and 55k Dublin. Leinster final between meath an louth about 25k from each. The crowds were huge in Leinster both from Dublin and other counties because it was competitive. So it wasn't just Dublin funding it, it was the teams who competed with Dublin and made it a spectacle. Those 20k+ crowds from the likes of meath, laois, Kildare, Westmeath etc have dropped to 1-5k attending matches in Croker vs Dublin. That's a huge loss in revenue from outside Dublin. The 50-60k Dublin fans who used to attend leinster matches has dropped to 20-35k depending on the fixture and the stage. Basically massive drops and loss of revenue all round. Leinster GAA would be far richer now if they had invested heavily in other counties not just Dublin and kept some semblance of a spectacle. It would also have helped that before Dublin became an unstoppable juggernaut they wouldn't have every close match gifted to them by the officials. Meath 2007, Kildare 2011, Wexford 2011 spring to mind. If Dublin had of won Leinster in 05, 06, 08, 09, 12, 13 it wouldn't have seemed so bad. Instead they have won every year bar 10.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I agree with you there if Dublin had the same funding and lesser players/management structure to chose from - you would ironically hear less about the funding. As they would be less successful. But as the players/management structure are top notch and really successful they are not praised and the funding becomes the focus! That dichotomy amuses me no end. But you mix funding with top notch players and management - the others are really playing catch up especially if they do not have thier own house in order. All three of these can change for Dubin - 1) Dublin given less funding gradually 2) Dublin getting a head the ball manager who falls out with players 3) Players who are not that goof=d/players who fall out with management Funding issue should be easily sorted, when Gavin steps down Dubs fans will be worried, when the old guard of players go Dubs fans will be worried.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I agree if anything the money should have been lashed out to Westmeath when they were on that high, Laois, Offaly, and Kildare as well when they had thier runs in the 00's All four to greater/lesser have suffered since. Easy saying it in hindsight now though.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It wasn't just a once off Iceland did it again in subsequent games. This is how they did set up the plan - it was not an overnight success. Some intercounty teams have no excuses in Ireland
blanch152 wrote: » The funding issue has already been addressed. Why do you think McKenna and his followers use historical figures from 2005? Over the last two to three years, the funding for Dublin has decreased while the funding to the rest of the country has increased. The East Leinster initiative is one example of this. On a per capita basis, Dublin are not the best funded.
Gachla wrote: » The huge number of professional coaches gets highlighted but the highly paid officials who oversee the system which has increased standards accross all age and levels in Dublin GAA don't get as much attention. Here's some of the job roles: Strategic Program Manager Games Development Project Coordinator Regional Development Manager High Performance Manager Dublin GAA pay millions in wages every year but of course all of this has no impact in the huge increase in standards in Dublin GAA. :rolleyes:
Dots1982 wrote: » We will go on with the present structure until everyone even the majority of Dubs are bored with it and the sport essentially fails because it can’t attract a crowd. A sport involving only Ireland should have max 10-12 elite teams. 32 teams is ****ing madness.
clevtrev wrote: » it may have been said before but the Dublin team is made up of a core of players that have been in position now since 2011-13. If you look at the 2011 team there are still 12 in the current squad and the 2013 team has 17 still in the squad. This is a golden age for Dublin but it is not based on a massive squad of players. There area few new additions to the squad over the last few years but the success of the squad has helped to keep the team together and playing for longer. Players involved in unsuccessful teams find it more difficult to keep playing into their later years. Also if the Dublin setup is so all powerful you would wonder why Kerry minors are going for 5 in a row this year.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » What subsequent games? They got a comprehensive hiding in the next game from france and were out... The england win is their big claim to fame. Ours is beating italy in the group in 1994 - 25 years ago... Therein lies my point. You seem to think that the other top teams should be content with getting a big win once every 25 odd years. You werent happy when dublin were falling just short for all irelands, yet think everyone else should be happy with far less... It is the equivalent of offering us a nice shiny penny while you take all that troublesome paper money... Who do you think you are fooling?
clevtrev wrote: » Also if the Dublin setup is so all powerful you would wonder why Kerry minors are going for 5 in a row this year.
Strumms wrote: » How many people live in Dublin ? How many play GAA ? It’s only appropriate that Dublin have their house in order to facilitate as best they can.. the experience of participating in the sport.
Dots1982 wrote: » We will go on with the present structure until everyone even the majority of Dubs are bored with it and the sport essentially fails because it can’t attract a crowd. A sport involving only Ireland should have max 10-12 elite teams covering the entire country. 32 teams is ****ing madness.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » You have to have “professional” coaches to teach a child to use both feet and hands - mind absolutely boggles! That’s just common sense - I’m not a professional coach but any session I do will always make players work on both sides. Not hard to put high coaching standards in place in counties for very little cost - problem is some coaches have lost the amateur ethos even at club level coaching, which is madness. Posted this before but there was a fantastic initiative with hurling this year where the vast majority of counties were split and a lot more young fellas exposed to inter county games. Cork was split in four as far as I know - but it’s been the only competition to have all 32 counties playing in it.
Gachla wrote: » 1.3 million, the rest of the country have the same problems Dublin face, why should Dublin get treated differently?
