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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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DeadHand

Yermande wrote: »

It's really quite simple. Bronn was made Master of Coin because the writers wanted to place him in one final goodbye scene and that's the best they could come up with.

Of course, I agree.

It’s just shameful that they didn’t care enough to give it a little thought and make him Master of War or some such so they could have shoehorned into the final scene in a more logical way.

Foxtrol

lawlolawl wrote: »

But they already lived North of the Wall so they are well used to winter, that's literally where it comes from.

They took a break that was conviently long enough for Jon to leave Winterfell, assist in taking Kings Landing, commit treason,be imprisoned for weeks (months?) for treason, be partially exonerated and banished and finally make his way to castle black just in time?

Nonsense. It's just more of the "this thing has to happen despite being utterly ridiculous" thinking that the hacks writing this garbage have been doing all season.

Children mashing their action figures together.

"Wouldn't it be cool if........?!?" is a terrible way of writing a TV show or movie.

On horseback in good weather it is supposed to take at least 3 weeks to get from Winterfell to The Wall, while the wildlings are making the trip during deep winter, had few if any horses, have many children in their group that would be even slower and requiring more rest and shelter, are carrying many supplies to survive the trip slowing them even further, and are in absolutely no rush to get to The Wall.

Look there are plenty of flaws in this season, but all this pedantic crap is crazy. If you put the show from season 1 onwards under the same sort of microscope, you’d find most episodes riddled with the exact same sort of ‘utterly ridiculous’ pedantic lists of issues that people are wasting their time putting together now to justify their feelings. Once people start to dislike a show, they appear to have lose all imagination and ability to suspend disbelief. Rather than going along with the story they go out of their way to try to turn everything into a plot hole or bad writing.

meeeeh

Yermande wrote: »

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges here, but it's not a patch on the likes of The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad and Mad Men. Well written characters portrayed by top quality actors is the common denominator there. Game of Thrones didn't have enough of either.

Did you watch the last season of The Wire? It's my favourite tv show but you last season was dire. So were last two or so seasons if Mad Men.

As for actors, most who are criticised were selected as kids or just out of drama school. It's a lot harder to know what they are like than someone with years of experience behind them.

Stop moaning ffs

Well I dunno about this.

BREAKING: Game of Thrones TV show lore-master & writer Bryan Cogman now leading Amazon’s LOTR series.

He is known as the “third head” alongside Benioff & Weiss whose job was to maintain book fidelity across the GoT TV series. He is also responsible for “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken” an episode that broke many fans with a storyline not in the books.

Yermande

DeadHand wrote: »

Still shaking my head over Bronn as Master of Coin today.

How could an illiterate soldier with no experience or, prior to his final scene, interest in governance deal with the Iron Bank? And the Crown would have a lot of work to do with the IB after years of warfare and devastation.

Why would Bronn, who by his own admission wanted a quiet life at this stage, accept probably the most stressful Small Council position? He already had more gold than he could spend in a lifetime with his acquisition of Highgarden and overlordship of the Reach.

Tyrion knows better than anyone that he is an extremely greedy, amoral and unserious individual, so why would he be insane enough to trust him with the country’s finances at that crucial time?

It’s a minor plot point but such a lazy, contrived, silly ending for a fan favorite that it bugs me.

We could also ask why Bronn was given Highgarden at all? He extracted a promise from Tyrion, under heavy duress, and now Brann is going to honour it? Why?

Then again Tyrion is clearly an influential figure. Despite being a failed Hand to three different monarchs he still has enough authority to successfully argue that the entire system of rule be radically and fundamentally changed forevermore, and nobody even raised their hand to ask a question.

I'm actually going to stop writing. I've already given this piece of glorious nonsense too much of my time.

everlast75

Yermande wrote: »

My brother has finally caved and said he's gonna watch the entire series because he likes Sean Bean. Good luck with that bro.

When he gets to the end of the first series, he's going to lose his head!

Penn

If anything I would have thought Bronn would be more suited to Master of War given his expertise in that area.

Yermande

DeadHand wrote: »

Still shaking my head over Bronn as Master of Coin today.

How could an illiterate soldier with no experience or, prior to his final scene, interest in governance deal with the Iron Bank? And the Crown would have a lot of work to do with the IB after years of warfare and devastation.

Why would Bronn, who by his own admission wanted a quiet life at this stage, accept probably the most stressful Small Council position? He already had more gold than he could spend in a lifetime with his acquisition of Highgarden and overlordship of the Reach.

Tyrion knows better than anyone that he is an extremely greedy, amoral and unserious individual, so why would he be insane enough to trust him with the country’s finances at that crucial time?

It’s a minor plot point but such a lazy, contrived, silly ending for a fan favorite that it bugs me.

It's really quite simple. Bronn was made Master of Coin because the writers wanted to place him in one final goodbye scene and that's the best they could come up with.

DeadHand

Still shaking my head over Bronn as Master of Coin today.

How could an illiterate soldier with no experience or, prior to his final scene, interest in governance deal with the Iron Bank? And the Crown would have a lot of work to do with the IB after years of warfare and devastation.

Why would Bronn, who by his own admission wanted a quiet life at this stage, accept probably the most stressful Small Council position? He already had more gold than he could spend in a lifetime with his acquisition of Highgarden and overlordship of the Reach.

Tyrion knows better than anyone that he is an extremely greedy, amoral and unserious individual, so why would he be insane enough to trust him with the country’s finances at that crucial time?

It’s a minor plot point but such a lazy, contrived, silly ending for a fan favorite that it bugs me.

Yermande

My brother has finally caved and said he's gonna watch the entire series because he likes Sean Bean. Good luck with that bro.

facehugger99

On the upside, I had a big bowl of All Bran to celebrate last night and have been as regular as clockwork today.

Yermande

Game of Thrones has been an enjoyable romp and I tip my hat to everyone that made it happen. I remember the bad old days of medieval fantasy on Sky One on Saturday afternoons. We've come a long way since then. Even when it faltered, as it frequently did, it was compelling viewing, particularly for genre nerds like myself.

However the writing and performances dropped through the the floor in recent years. Last night's episode was so poorly written and paced it's actually quite hard to accept. The writers and producers just wanted to get it wrapped up. That's quite obvious. It's a shame it ran out of steam but eight seasons is still a good run.

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges here, but it's not a patch on the likes of The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad and Mad Men. Well written characters portrayed by top quality actors is the common denominator there. Game of Thrones didn't have enough of either.

Macy0161

I must be the only one to take it that the Nightswatch doesn't still exist and it was just a ploy to get him out of Kings Landing alive, and he goes to live happily ever after north of the wall. iirc he was the only crow there...

fwiw I don't think the ending was that bad - the damage has been the rush job rather than the story.

MOH

meeeeh wrote: »

This is just daft. It's just entertainment, I'm starting to think too many people have unhealthy obsession with the show.

bigslice wrote: »

This. Some utter utter drivel been written about the last season and genuinely think that no matter the ending it would have been the same. Some people just wanted to have a moan and value their own opinion too much.

Mightn’t have been perfect in places, rushed elsewhere but some would have it up there with Fair City!

I'm starting to think some people are incapable of basic critical thinking.
Or else they're just stuck in fanboi land and take every criticism as something personal.
If somebody enjoyed the last season, great, good luck to them glad they enjoyed it.

But there's nothing wrong with pointing out the massive failures, lack of internal consistency, and general poor writing that's been prevalent.

Annabella Obnoxious Bayou wrote: »

There's a lot of people who are not capable of formulating their own opinions and go with whatever reddit says. At least provide an alternative instead of just whinging and crying about it. It's perfectly fine to dislike something, but this thread is a train wreck of copied opinions. Dexter is comparable to GOT? Not even close, they are not even remotely similar.

People are not able to see past the opinions which they are told to have on reddit, facebook, twitter etc.

I avoided reddit, FB, twitter etc before expressing my own opinion: which is that this season has been a total train wreck.

And as for Dexter, sure it literally ended the same way.

Dany's body carried off into a storm, and Jon heading off to be a lumberjack. Only difference is Dany is the killer

The finale was actually hilarious. Some great visuals, would have made a superb rock video. But all style, no substance. At least it had some genuine laugh out loud moments, unfortunately not intentionally.

walshb

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Plus sequel with Arya? Bran as King.. Er I guess! :rolleyes:

Please, pleases, please god......no!

Midnight_EG

Might be a bit of a reach...but check out who's on the Iron Throne with Ned in the season one poster
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citytillidie

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

Actors were on x per episode so instead of 10 40 minute episodes we git the same 400 minutes over 6 episodes saving a huge amount. HBO will have sold it and its ad revenue for the same amount.

What adds? HBO is a proper paid subscription unlike Sky where it does not have adverts during the program. Sky here added the breaks into GOT if you watched it at 2am

Penn

I think the Night's Watch still exists because within a generation or two, any affinity the wildlings had for Jon & the Night's Watch and people south of the wall will be gone, and they'll be back to fighting each other, the Night's Watch, and sending raiding parties over the wall to attack Northern villages. It wouldn't take much for some of them to point out how many Wildlings died fighting in Jon's battles and they should have been given more etc. They'll be back to their pre-Season 1 wildling ways in a few years.

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

Drogon had the intelligence to melt the Throne in the finale,

I assumed he was just venting his anguish and the throne happened to be in the way.

[Deleted User]

Annabella Obnoxious Bayou wrote: »

I guess you were worried about your reaction being hip enough? You, like so many others, had already written the last episode off before it even aired. Looking for plot holes and inconsistencies to be angry about. I couldn't imagine wasting my time on anything with that kind of attitude. Why bother?

People saying they can't make sense of X Y or Z, lack imagination... severely.

You are complaining about people complaining about the show you are not even discussing the actual show, you are also not engaging with anyone directly in conversation just making wide blanket statements and putting everyone who had a problem with the show under that umbrella.

Its quite ignorant to put it mildly

storker

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Also, why is the nights watch still there? The wildlings got annihilated by the WW, who are gone themselves. Who are they guarding against?

"Grumpkins and snarks" of course.

Paddy Cow

Penn wrote: »

Agreed, and I think Tyrion's speech to Jon summed it all up perfectly and demonstrated the clear cause and effect of it all through her whole journey. Her advisors always helped control her worst impulses, but those impulses were always there. Then her victories were always cheered because she defeated bad people, but it all created a God complex for her and she believed herself to be the absolute judge of right and wrong. Without anyone she trusted to ask her to reconsider and with absolute belief this was her destiny, she came to believe anything she chose to do was right, because she decides what it right.

I thought Jon's conversations with Tyrion and Dany herself gave as good an explanation and examination of who Dany had become as was possible. Possibly a bit late at that stage and would have preferred to see Jon come to some of those conclusions a bit earlier though, rather than just parroting "She is our Queen" to everyone.

Jon telling her he had the most legitimate claim to the throne also helped push her over the edge and fed into her paranoia. When he found out she was his Aunt, he no longer wanted to do sexy time. The idea repulsed him. She was paranoid that his rejection meant that he was going to stake his claim and it didn't matter how many times he said he didn't want it - Jon became her biggest threat.

Cianos

Something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere was how in some ways things revert back to how the world was prior to S01E01.

The mad Targaryen, the wildlings' retreat to once again be 'the folk beyond the wall', the white walkers and dragons disappearing into dust and memory where in hundreds of years people will question whether they actually ever existed. The Nightswatch being seen by many as a pointless effort against a fictitious threat.

fwiw I hated the last episode and the last season in general, but nonetheless!

no.8

woodchuck wrote:

Even though the first 5 episodes had their flaws, I did genuinely enjoyed watching them. But I was bitterly disappointed with episode 6. It wasnâ€™t too bad up until Jon killed Dany (predictable, but no other way it could happen really), but it all went downhill from there.

Great post. Well balanced (imo). Almost portraying my exact feelings on S8 to a tee.

turbbo

ricero wrote: »

The night king should of been the focal point of the story as I feel season 8 died in episode 3 for many once he was knifed by Arya.

Tend to agree with that. I wouldn't have back at episode 3 but definitely looking back on it. It would have been bolder and would have kept the viewers interest to the end.

peddlelies

ricero wrote: »

The night king should of been the focal point of the story as I feel season 8 died in episode 3 for many once he was knifed by Arya.

Def agree with this, anything that happened after the night king was going to be anticlimactic.

I'd have liked to see the dead totally overrun Winterfell and a retreat to Kings landing or something of that ilk..

turbbo

Mickeroo wrote: »

Accurate pish now at least.

I give you that.

ricero

I feel the whole ending of the saga was out of sync and seriously flawed. I think that Cersei vs Dany should of been at the end of last season with Dany going Hitler on kings landing but with John and co keeping her onside as they needed her and her dragons and armies to defeat the night king.

The night king should of been the focal point of the story as I feel season 8 died in episode 3 for many once he was knifed by Arya.

chris_ie

One other thing, part of me wondered if they were going to blow Greyworms ship out of the water!

There was a line where someone said to Greyworm that everyone was on board. Thought for a second that they may have thought that he would try and continue Daenerys work and 'liberate' more places and put a stop to it, Jon could stay then sure

_Kaiser_

Ropey cgi in places, stupid comedy scene with Tyrion and the lads at the end, Sansa proves herself a power hungry biaatch and everyone stabs Jon in the back after he saves them from disaster (oh and yea, very easy that was) although I suppose there's a bit about being North where he's always belonged.
Plus sequel with Arya? Bran as King.. Er I guess! :rolleyes:

I could go into detail but what's the point? I only started watching the show last year but I still feel cheated by that ending. Total shyte to cap a extremely rushed and poor season.