Peyton Lively Tiller wrote: » He did win in the dominant car, his teammate at the time just wasn’t good enough to help secure the constructors championship
astrofluff wrote: » Re 2008, what's a point among friends these days? Well, it would have been Massa's only for Timo.
Anjobe wrote: » I read an article, may have been by Brundle, in which he claimed a Ferrari insider had told him they were convinced they had the championship winning car that year and were so disappointed in Massa its why they subsequently treated him as Alonso's water carrier.
AMKC wrote: » His teammate had just won two WDC titles and is considered one of the best F1 drivers. I think if Alonso had of done his research on Lewis had the time and had known how fast Lewis was he might have been harder on him but maybe he thought A sure he is a rookie so I will go easy on him. That's a bit hard on Timo. There was lots of other things that happened that year that if they had not happened might have meant Massa would have been WDC champion. Singapore for instance is the one that sticks in the memory. It should have been Massa's year do. He came so very close. If Singapore had not of happened the way it did for Massa in the pits and maybe some other events it probably would have been Massa's year.
Nic_Col wrote: » https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24096/11719448/martin-brundle-on-spanish-gp-frustrations-and-f1-future-visions Good article by Brundle on Sky Sports website.
NoBread wrote: » Yep, Ferrari pit crew leaving the fuel rig ruined his race and many points.
Inviere wrote: » My memory of Brazil 2008 is fuzzy at best, but didn't Lewis' has serious gearbox issues at some point in the race, that cost him places and potential points too. It all usually balances out over a season
Anjobe wrote: » Zandvoort doesn't really look up to modern Formula 1 so will be interesting to see how it goes. Atmosphere should be good with all the Max fans, F1's very own Dutch Corner. Could be 23 races next year (including Vietnam) unless any of the ones now in the last year of their contracts (Britain, Germany, Italy and Mexico) are dropped.
Anjobe wrote: » Ho hum, Hamilton is no where near Alsonso's level - a driver he actually beat in the same car in his rookie year? How many drivers would have been beaten by Nico Rosberg, well Schumacher was in 3 consecutive seasons. Ask yourself how many drivers on the current grid could have produced the pole lap that Hamilton did at Singapore last year?
Anjobe wrote: » Mercedes' car has been phenomenal, but wasn't completely dominant last year or the year before, the Ferrari was nearly as good, better at some circuits. That Hamilton won those championships pretty easily would seem to indicate that he is the clearly the best driver of the 4 who were at those 2 teams at least.
Anjobe wrote: » Vettel drove the wheels off the Ferrari in the last couple of years? Dream on, he blew any chance he had in a competitive car through a series of below par performances, errors under pressure and costly red mist incidents. Its harder for a driver to beat their team mate when the team is dominant, as other drivers can't take points off them. Rosberg was actually a very good driver, but it still took a combination of errors and extreme bad luck for Hamilton (plus the culmination of a 3 year plan to needle and undermine him in the team) to beat him. Rosberg retired then because he knew he was never going to repeat the feat. You can dislike Hamilton if you want, that's just opinion (but please be honest about the reasons), but dismissing his driving ability on arguments that could be applied to any winning driver ever is nonsense.
NoBread wrote: » Max arguably produced a quicker lap - the Red Bull was over half a second slower than the Merc on the straight alone, yet he qualified only 3 tenths off. Bottas on Sunday had a great quali lap too, if it had been Ham with that time we'd still be hearing about it. Hamilton has been at the peak of his career for the last couple of years. He has the favoured support from the management - they are always visibly more happy when he gets pole/wins than the team mate, even in 1-2 situations. It's about time though, he threw his own team under the bus many times in the past publicly. He was very hit and miss for a lot of his career, unlike the all time greats. He's quick no doubt, but the ducks couldn't get any more lined up for a guy this past 5 years. Rosberg trying to undermine Hamilton? That petulant little brat Ham has fallen out with each and every team mate he has ever had, including Button, who no one falls out with. He resorts to snide comments in the media and social media constantly. He couldn't stop complaining about Rosberg's championship win like a sore loser, highlighting all the issues he had, yet ignoring the championships he won on the back of others misfortune. He never really destroyed a teammate, (3 year average points difference between him and Button, and also only relatively narrow championship victories over Rosberg) and if he was as good as he thinks, he would have done.
skipper_G wrote: » Instead of complaining about F1 or Hamilton bashing, why not have a look at this and have a laugh at Rich Energy instead https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-rich-energy-copyright-infringement-case/4388420/ Absolute Spoofers!
Glico Man wrote: » skipper_G wrote: » Instead of complaining about F1 or Hamilton bashing, why not have a look at this and have a laugh at Rich Energy instead https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-rich-energy-copyright-infringement-case/4388420/ Absolute Spoofers! I'd like to clutch the smallest sliver of straw possible to say I helped with this by tweeting to Whyte Bikes in October last year to say that Rich Energy did a good job copying their logo :pac:
BikeRacer wrote: » Whyte bikes home page aren't half rubbing it inhttps://whyte.bike/
astrofluff wrote: » Jaysus, that rich energy lad is some spoofer. And not even a good one if they're missing tricks like that with invoices. All credibility, whatever he might of had, just got shot down by the judge. Classic reading.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » He spoofed his way to F1 before he sold a single drink. Invented a brand out of nothing. We'll see what happens next. Lads like that tend to be able to live the life of Riley and all the time have a string of failed businesses and everyone except him goes unpaid. He seem like a complete conman.
Ricciardo: "Full honesty here, the track to drive on is pretty awesome," said the Renault driver. "It's high speed, it's old school, big balls. From a driving point of view, it's fine. "But how fast it is and how narrow some places are, I don't think it would be that exciting for overtaking - just my initial feeling. "With the speeds we go now, following another car will be very difficult. That's my reservation with it. I think it'll be a very processional race, otherwise, the track's cool. "I'm a bit torn. To drive on it'd be fun but to race - with the width of the cars now it's probably a bit like a street circuit through some places. "It'll be tricky to make a really exciting race. "I only drove a demonstration [in an F1 car], but I raced there in F3, and it keeps your eyes open. Big balls."
pjohnson wrote: » Red Bull Youtube have a lap onboard with Max
Joeface wrote: » Pretty sure Sky during the race at the weekend said one of the other series had pulled out of that track cause the cars were too fast for it and it limits racing .
