troyzer wrote: » You have freedom of religion and speech but you are not free from consequences.
amcalester wrote: » Discrimination isn’t measured by the outcome, it’s measured by the intention.
recedite wrote: » That's your opinion that its a message of hate, and not a friendly warning. What you're advocating now is a ban on the bible's message, which is really a separate free speech and/or freedom of religion issue. But if this player is accused of "discrimination" then you must show how he somehow disadvantaged. or prevented the participation of a homosexual in rugby.
sydthebeat wrote: » If the Bible discriminates and espouses hate, as folaus interpretation is of it, then that hateful message should not be allowed to be spread. Simples.
homer911 wrote: » There cant be discrimination unless you now consider him to be God and he is making the decisions about Heaven and Hell. Also how can quoting the Bible be perceived as discrimination? The world has yet to come up with a law that considers pointing out to sinners their future, as being discriminatory or racist. I'm also pretty sure that this Bible quote was directed at Christians, warning them not to live like pagans
smacl wrote: » Stating that gay people and atheists will go to hell if they don't repent is clearly discriminating against people based on sexual orientation or religious background. He had already been warned of this previously yet persisted in the full knowledge that his actions were in breach of the code of conduct. As already mentioned, it is that simple.
smacl wrote: » Stating that gay people and atheists will go to hell if they don't repent is clearly discriminating against people based on sexual orientation or religious background.
1.3 - Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby. 1.7 - Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.
Cabaal wrote: » He signed up to a code of conduct and he broke it, its that simple.
1.1 Your safety and the safety of your team mates and opponents comes first. Be aware of, and always comply with, the Rugby AU Safety Policies and Guidelines. 1.2 Be a good sport, displaying modesty in victory and graciousness in defeat. 1.3 Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby. 1.4 Do not repeatedly breach the Laws of the Game relating to Foul Play or Misconduct (as those terms are defined in World Rugby Regulations). 1.5 Accept and respect the authority of a referee, assistant referee, touch judge or other match or team official. Do not abuse, threaten or intimidate, use crude language or gestures, or show unnecessary obvious dissension, displeasure or disapproval towards a referee, touch judge or other match official, whether on or off the field, or a selector, coach, manager or other team official. 1.6 Do not make any public comment that is critical of the performance of a match official, player, team official, coach or employee/officer/volunteer of any club or a Union; or on any matter that is, or is likely to be, the subject of an investigation or disciplinary process; or otherwise make any public comment that would likely be detrimental to the best interests, image and welfare of the Game, a team, a club, a competition or Union. 1.7 Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations. 1.8 Do not otherwise act in a way that may adversely affect or reflect on, or bring you, your team, club, Rugby Body or Rugby into disrepute or discredit. If you commit a criminal offence, this is likely to adversely reflect on you and your team, club, Rugby Body and Rugby. 1.9 You must assist in any investigation or disciplinary proceedings and ensure that no inaccurate and/or misleading information is provided by you during the course of an investigation or hearing under this Code or in relation to any other disciplinary proceedings. 1.10 You must disclose any incident, matter or set of circumstances (irrespective of when it occurred) that does, or has the potential to, render you an unfit or improper person to be a Participant in Australian Rugby. This includes any incident, matter or set of circumstances that could damage the game of Rugby or bring into question the integrity and good character of its Participants.
Israel Folau has been found guilty of a "high level breach" of Rugby Australia's player code of conduct after he said "hell awaits" gay people in a social media post.
A three-person panel who presided over his hearing will now consider what punishment the 30-year-old will face.
The Waratahs full-back, contracted with RA until 2022, escaped punishment for similar comments last year.
....In April, Australian rugby league's governing body ruled out Folau returning to the NRL.
one world order wrote: » There have been people within the Catholic Church that have gone against the bible and what God has told us. Those people will be punished by God. .
one world order wrote: » Read the bible and you will find the answers. It was written over 1,600 years from the time of Abraham to the early Jewish christians. It warns us of the false prophets after Jesus came into this world and of the time in the future those that control this world give everyone the mark of the beast.
one world order wrote: » God created you whether you want to believe it or not. You will die one day and that soul that occupies your body will leave it and go to the spiritual world. It's the same for everyone including those that deny they have a soul or deny gods existence. You blame the church and say it has caused the increasing suicide rates. But yet as more and more people continue to leave the church, the suicide rates continue to increase.
homer911 wrote: » I disagree. If I hated drunkards, to use one of the examples, and was happy for them to condemn themselves to hell for all eternity, all I would need to do is say nothing at all. By sharing this bible verse, I expect that Folau was encouraging people to reflect on their own sinfulness and to turn away from it, knowing the promise of eternal salvation for those who do and trust in God - surely this is an act of love?
homer911 wrote: » This I do agree with as I said earlier. Becoming a Christian doesn't make us perfect, we are all works-in-progress, but the Bible tells us we should not do anything that would turn others away from the faith, while being truthful to what that faith is
Nobelium wrote: » The likes of folau and some of christians here aren't sharing anything "with love" and truth,
the first thing christians need to do every day is take a look at themselves, and what they themselves should be doing that day, what they say and how they say it, before they go preaching what other people should do.
homer911 wrote: » With some exceptions, I'm seeing a lot more intolerance of tolerance on this thread. Unbelievers seem to want to deny the right of Christians to their beliefs, despite it being shared in love and truth. If you don't believe us, why you feel enmity towards us? This is the Christianity forum. What do you expect? Either Jesus was a madman and we are crazy to follow him, or he is the beginning and end of everything, and nothing is more important. Does that threaten you?
Shefwedfan wrote: » The folau issue is more to do with employment law. He broke the T&C of his contract so gets fired....
sydthebeat wrote: » Do not assume to know what I want or not please. I've explained to you why it's happening in Ireland, and I put the blame at the foot of the church. Good for you, but it's absolutely not necessary to have the crutch of religion to have a healthy self worth and happiness. To need god to feel self worth is actually sad in my eyes as I see that as an inheritant weakness caused by indoctrination. I believe humanity to be ultimately godlike in itself. I think we can all be our own deities in that we judge ourselves on our actions and thoughts, and the ultimate goal of life is to be happy and to bring happiness to others and reduce suffering where you meet it.
one world order wrote: » This is something you don't want to accept..
one world order wrote: » But I do believe in what the bible says and it's important to have a healthy relationship with God for self worth and happiness.
troyzer wrote: » There are a myriad of other, more real world reasons for that. Such as a massive recession, changes in social behaviour and relationships and economic insecurity. Crime is way down historically, can secularism take the credit for that? Correlation =/= causation.
one world order wrote: » Suicides have been increasing in Ireland since the late 1980's and other western countries continue to have increasing suicide rates. This is something you don't want to accept. There have been people within the Catholic Church that have gone against the bible and what God has told us. Those people will be punished by God. I'm not going to defend the Catholic Church as I think it has been corrupted from within. But I do believe in what the bible says and it's important to have a healthy relationship with God for self worth and happiness.
sydthebeat wrote: » Bullsh!t. Due to the Catholic Churchs demonising of suicide, there was a culture of omerta in this country when it came to people taking their own lives. Not only was there the religious stigma of non burials in graveyards, but there was also state refusal to pay pensions, and other social welfare payments, to widows. Therfore in cases of people found to have died by suicide, they were quickly "arranged" so that their deaths were not recorded as such. Talk to any experienced suicide Councillor for deeper info. So in fact the rise in rates of recorded suicide in this country is actually directly attributable to the Catholic Church. Of course put on top of this, the numbers of poor people who suffered all kinds of abuse from said church who sadly took their own lives. Like I said earlier, those that espouse charity were shown to be the most cruel.
one world order wrote: » Suicides have been on an upward projectory in Ireland since the late 1980s. In the US the suicide rate increased by 24% since 1999. Similar patterns occur across other western countries. At the same time people's faith in God has been decreasing. School children are more anxious in today's modern world than ever before. While society has made technological advances, the constant attack on religion through the mainstream media has led people to turn away from God and live less full filled lives.
