briany wrote: » It's interesting that you're having a go at those naive lefties. That really sums the whole thing up. I could just as well argue that so much of what we might call undesirable immigration as being a product of neo-liberal economics, led by the captains of industry who love the fact that plenty will come to the west to do menial work for next to no money. But, shur, let's carry on with the right blaming the left, and the left blaming the right, while the money men carry on laughing their heads off at the lot of us.
Blueshoe wrote: » Do you think Islam is compatible with liberal progressive Ireland? You and others keep going back to sure that sounds like the Catholic church years ago. Was that a good thing ? Is that why you say it?
Blueshoe wrote: » An do you think that they were great times. Let's pretend we are progressive yet invite in people with beliefs from the dark ages. I actually think that most of you on the left are nice welcoming people who see the best in people and believe we can all hold hands and get along but your failings are shortsightedness and gullibility. We can't all get along because we are not the same in views, religious beliefs, culture, history and attitude.https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1122649/isis-news-latest-terror-france-jihadist-police-elysee-palace Oh look another one
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » The religion? No. The practicioners? Depends on what level of practice. Hate, discrimination and intolerance are **** off and take their catholic, muslim, athiest, whatever practicioners with them. No, you think extreme left policies are nice welcoming and so on. The idea that very few left-leaning people actually hold said policies isn't something you can get your head around. It's like dealing with a classic social justice warrior: you just can NOT let labels go.
Blueshoe wrote: » The numbers in Europe are rising and the only people I see complaining about it are those on the right ( who are now called far right because of this stance) .
What 'policies' are you specifically refering to?
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Not relevant to the post I made. The policies were YOU thinking of when you wrote, "I actually think that most of you on the left are nice welcoming people who see the best in people and believe we can all hold hands and get along but your failings are shortsightedness and gullibility." If you have to ask which ones specifcily, it kind of indicates that you weren't thinking of anything when you wrote it. Because I know of no such policies that make people think like this other than the ones in your head.
Blueshoe wrote: » You don't make sense. It's not a policy it's a mindset. We can all co exist peacefully. Everyone is nice etc
Blueshoe wrote: » That is a valid point. But if the left are in favour of immigration and they are the majority of the population who in turn vote in pro immigration parties then why wouldn't people on the right blame the left
Harry Palmr wrote: » Hmm, long standing account largely dormant which spring back to life to decry vaccinations and is now wondering about the right wing, cue new registrations giving it large. It's almost like it was coordinated.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Fair enough. IN which case I chance my original statement to: you think extreme left mindsets are nice welcoming and so on. The idea that very few left-leaning people actually hold said mindsets isn't something you can get your head around. It's like dealing with a classic social justice warrior: you just can NOT let labels go.
listermint wrote: » Do you know any Muslims ? Do you know that there a various forms and flavours inside it . The same as Catholicism there's a la carte variety's. Yes I think people of different faiths can live beside each other perfectly fine. It's when these faiths are used by people who seek land power money and greed is when it becomes a problem. But sure you know that anyway. Doubt your ever spoke to , worked with or befriended people of any other faith than your own in your life. Sheltered.
Blueshoe wrote: » They do not assimilate to our culture and never will. This is seen all around Europe.
Blueshoe wrote: » Very few left leaning people agree with mass immigration? Pull the other one.
Jim2007 wrote: » It is a to way process. How may muslims have you invited into your home then? Gone and had a cup of coffee or tea with any of them in the last week or so?
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Have you asked them? Or have you just gone with labels?
Blueshoe wrote: » It all comes down to numbers. Invite in too many types who don't want to integrate and it creates division, ghettoisation and suspicion. Those who do want to integrate and contribute should be welcomed IF there are jobs, infrastructure and accommodation in place. Otherwise no thanks
listermint wrote: » So you don't know any Muslims grand that's the first notch against your nonsense. Secondly do you know how many Muslims are in Ireland. Let alone Europe. Let's get down to brass tacks on minorities here.
Blueshoe wrote: » I don't welcome them so it's not a two way process. But I am not allowed to have this view. The reason I don't welcome them is I don't think their ideology is a good fit into Ireland. Nothing personal against the individuals just not compatible
briany wrote: » It appears to me that your problem is not really with Muslims specifically, but of anyone with a conservative religious bent that clashes with the more socially liberal, secular values that most of western society currently uses.
Blueshoe wrote: » You have decided to run with this. The left are against mass immigration! Come on
Blueshoe wrote: » We can't all get along because we are not the same in views, religious beliefs, culture, history and attitude.
Guy:Incognito wrote: » I dont have the same views as you. Or religious beliefs. My mother is an immigrant (albeit from an EU country) . So it looks like one of us might have to leave the country. I'm happy enough here as things are so I vote you.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » So, you rely on labels then. That's that sorted out. Said it ages ago, saying it again: the closer you are the more logical and open-to-debate you are. As you move away from center - regardless of what direction you go in - you start to encounter angry bitter people who just to have their biases confirmed and rely on labels to do so.
Brian? wrote: » What pro immigration parties?
Brian? wrote: » You know "The left" are not a homogenous group who agree on everything? We don't have meetings to decide what we think about every issue.
Blueshoe wrote: » I wouldn't say I'm angry or bitter about it to be honest. More disappointed than anything but as an individual who is hugely outnumbered by voters with a differing opinion I can't see a change of course coming any time soon. It doesn't affect my life either way but in years to come who's to say. I can't see the sense in people being proud about a modern Ireland yet inviting in with open arms a culture who kill gay people and treat women as dirt Makes no sense to me to be honest
