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BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day

BorneTobyWilde

Modnote - Thread moved to new thread because the other one was near 10k posts.

Bangernomics part 5 here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057493741

Bangernomics rules:
Under €2000
Valid NCT
Something you'd actually drive yourself
VRT paid
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https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-bmw-520i-nct-05-18/15133222

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nct 5/18
2005

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CoBo55

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

They weren't ever fitted with the old engine so I don't know how that is. Are you certain it was the new model?

You're right, the seller was trying to convince the buyer it was the new petrol engine in a 09 last of the line old model, it wasn't. Sorry for the confusion, old age setting in...

JohnBoy26

CoBo55 wrote: »

I looked at a 09 for a friend and it definitely was the older engine in the new body, Irish car 750 tax, he didn't buy it, that was in 2016.

They weren't ever fitted with the old engine so I don't know how that is. Are you certain it was the new model?

CoBo55

colm_mcm wrote: »

That’s definitely not correct.

I didn't like the look of the car or the boyo selling it, definitely something dodgy going on, I questioned him about it's engine, he got very shifty, don't know what became of it, MN plate... It was time to walk..

colm_mcm

CoBo55 wrote: »

I looked at a 09 for a friend and it definitely was the older engine in the new body, Irish car 750 tax, he didn't buy it, that was in 2016.

That’s definitely not correct.

Interslice

colm_mcm wrote: »

It’s hard to beat a 1.8 civic for ease of ownership in my experience.

Was chatting to him there. After i pointed out a load of holes in this yolk he wanted to view, https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Mazda/Mazda3-1.6-SPORT-4DR/201903266268997 civics are in the game. They look to be the best value at this in this particular bangernomics sector at the moment. Should make things a bit easier.

CoBo55

selectamatic wrote: »

The mk3 didn't get the 1.6 vvti engine

I looked at a 09 for a friend and it definitely was the older engine in the new body, Irish car 750 tax, he didn't buy it, that was in 2016.

W123-80's

'06 Seat Alhambra 1.9D
NCT May '20
Tax Sept '19
232k kms/145k miles
Looks a decent family boat if it checks out albeit a bit pricey

Asking €1,750

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2006-seat-alhambra-7-seater/21701025?campaign=3

W123-80's

'00 Discovery
NCT March '20
Low owners

It'll probably break your heart and your wallet, but I like them.

Asking €1,850

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/land-rover-disco-2/21718251

colm_mcm

It’s hard to beat a 1.8 civic for ease of ownership in my experience.

Interslice

colm_mcm wrote: »

Has he been in a Mazda 3 yet?

Im not sure colm. I dont know where this mazda 3 came from. Going to ring him tonight and try and convince him to buy a 1.8 civic. He was previously in a hyundai coupe and thought it was the dogs so... Normally id have a look at cars for friends that are completely clueless and an open book. Its a less comfortable thing with someone who has a little bit of knowledge and a certain model in mind. Its only to keep him on the road for the year as the hyundai was a write off after someone tipped into it so.its more about reliability than a nice place to sit etc.

punisher5112

Interslice wrote: »

I was shopping mazdas, why are they so expensive to tax as 2008 + registrations?

Anything in particular to look out for in these mazda 3's?[/quote]

Because they're bad on emissions.

Anything June 2008 onwards were co based so lots of 1.4, 1.6 etc increased as they are terribly bad on juice for example.

Interslice

The lips wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-3-1-6-comfort-nct-11-19/20937943
Insurance will probably send this one to its resting place before anything else.
Mazda 3 1.6 litre;
Tested 11/2019;
135K miles;
looks clean;
tax @ €514 on engine capacity basis;
Asking €1,995

I was shopping mazdas, why are they so expensive to tax as 2008 + registrations?[/QUOTE]

Anything in particular to look out for in these mazda 3's?

selectamatic

johndaman66 wrote: »

Yep the older ZZ VVTI unit from the MK2 not to be found in the MK3 but the newer 1.6 1ZR-FAE unit in the MK3 is a VVTI engine all the same with valematic.

Ay I'm referring to how they are referenced by toyota though. The older zz was denoted vvti but the newer 1.6 is denoted valvematic.

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Surely if theres something so wrong with it it'll be hard to miss on viewing/driving it. My guess is clutch. But even still I'd take a chance on it and get as long out of the car as I could, sell those alloys and scrap whats left. Maybe its better suited to the new cheap-o thread..

Turbo seals on the way out, possibly a suspect headgasket or injector seals going bad could be easily enough missed too.

That said it could be grand and it'd do fine as a cheap buy. It is interesting that it's up for sale again though.

johndaman66

The lips wrote: »

I was shopping mazdas, why are they so expensive to tax as 2008 + registrations?

I'm guessing your looking at petrol models? In general motor tax went up on petrol models and down on diesels in 2008 when the change was made from engine capacity to CO2 emission basis for private car motor tax. I re-emphasise in general as it will have depended on the very engine at the time and that would be driven in no small part in general by its age at the time. For the most part the motor tax on petrol models went up at the time with the general exception of some then modern petrol units while visa versa for the diesels.

That Mazda 3 I provided link for is on the old engine capacity basis with the motor tax being €514. If it were on the CO2 basis it would be €570 to tax. I'm fairly certain that a Mazda 6 MPS was on the highest of the CO2 rates at the time. By comparison the motor tax on a 08 1.6 diesel Mazda 3 on the CO2 basis is €270

The lips

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-3-1-6-comfort-nct-11-19/20937943
Insurance will probably send this one to its resting place before anything else.
Mazda 3 1.6 litre;
Tested 11/2019;
135K miles;
looks clean;
tax @ €514 on engine capacity basis;
Asking €1,995[/quote]

I was shopping mazdas, why are they so expensive to tax as 2008 + registrations?

johndaman66

selectamatic wrote: »

Yep the 1.6 valvematic engine as johnboy posted about a few posts ago.

The 1.6vvti engine from the zz family is the older engine found in the mk2 avensis.

Yep the older ZZ VVTI unit from the MK2 not to be found in the MK3 but the newer 1.6 1ZR-FAE unit in the MK3 is a VVTI engine all the same with valematic.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-3-1-6-comfort-nct-11-19/20937943
Insurance will probably send this one to its resting place before anything else.
Mazda 3 1.6 litre;
Tested 11/2019;
135K miles;
looks clean;
tax @ €514 on engine capacity basis;
Asking €1,995

Duke O Smiley

Surely if theres something so wrong with it it'll be hard to miss on viewing/driving it. My guess is clutch. But even still I'd take a chance on it and get as long out of the car as I could, sell those alloys and scrap whats left. Maybe its better suited to the new cheap-o thread..

selectamatic

You'd wanna give it a very thorough going over. Someone buying a cheap car off Bill and then finding something wrong with it has happened quite a few times.

Toyotafanboi

Wonder why he's jumping ship so quick?

Mad_Mike

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a6-nct-01-2020/21702080

How about €270 off?

And wheels still included!!

Duke O Smiley

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a6-1-9-tdi-130bhp-model-nct-till-01-20-/21489594

Rough and ready 130 bhp A6 with NCT till 2020, €750 but I'd bet on €500 most likely driving this away

I saw a set of those alloys on adverts there at the start of the year go for €450

canonball5 wrote: »

If you get 250 quid off that car from Bill you should negotiate Brexit.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a6-nct-01-2020/21702080

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How about €270 off?

selectamatic

johndaman66 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avensis
http://mywikimotors.com/toyota-1zr/

No doubt they are not too common on these shores but I have seen a few MK3 1.6 petrol Avensis for sale in the past.

Yep the 1.6 valvematic engine as johnboy posted about a few posts ago.

The 1.6vvti engine from the zz family is the older engine found in the mk2 avensis.

carzony

I picked up a nice zetec, 1.6 petrol, 2008 Ford Mondeo yesterday for 1200

2 previous owners, nice grey colour, and tested until January. I'm impressed with the interior on it, a really nice place to be. Very slow but for the money you can't complain.

johndaman66

selectamatic wrote: »

The mk3 didn't get the 1.6 vvti engine

Erm, I'm not sure not sure on that one. As per the Wikipedia article the MK3 Avensis had a 1.6 1ZR-FAE engine and as per the second link this engine is a VVTI unit - albeit a different 1.6 VVTI unit to that found in the MK2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avensis
http://mywikimotors.com/toyota-1zr/

No doubt they are not too common on these shores but I have seen a few MK3 1.6 petrol Avensis for sale in the past.

selectamatic

CoBo55 wrote: »

I didn't know it was petrol, a valvematic in 2009 would be extremely rare I'd make certain it wasn't the vvti.

The mk3 didn't get the 1.6 vvti engine

CoBo55

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The mk3 has the valvematic engine which is an excellent unit. The previous vvti was a very reliable engine too but on emissions based tax they are €750 per annum while the newer valvematic is only €390.

I didn't know it was petrol, a valvematic in 2009 would be extremely rare I'd make certain it wasn't the vvti.

CoBo55

TychoCaine wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a6-2-0-nct/21393921
What does everyone think? Seems way too cheap.....

Mulitchronic, avoid avoid at all costs!!

CiaranMT

Cheers lads

Duke O Smiley

CiaranMT wrote: »

So when a car pops up as having 0 previous owners, that indicates a first sale since new? Donedeal perform a vehicle check on all cars listed to fill this information?

It only means that there have been no other registered owners, but it doesn't mean that the original owner is the one selling it.

And yes Donedeal perform this check. You have to supply the reg number to place an ad now, and they automatically insert the ownership info (and some other bits) into the ad from it

colm_mcm

CiaranMT wrote: »

So when a car pops up as having 0 previous owners, that indicates a first sale since new? Donedeal perform a vehicle check on all cars listed to fill this information?

Just to note. The previous owners is for Ireland only, so for example a car with 4 owners in the uk and 1 in Ireland will show up as 0 previous owners on donedeal and on the vehicle registration certificate field for Irish owners.

Donedeal will have a link into the motor registration database.