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Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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https://www.herald.ie/news/casey-calls-for-changes-to-immigration-as-he-reveals-eu-election-bid-38003714.html

Casey hopes to take Ming the Merciless seat in europe.Hope he does from that other waste of space.It is going to make it more interesting now that he has thrown his hat in the ring.Going to be interesting to see how he is treated in the media this time.

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Charles Ingles

Faugheen wrote: »

Nice to know you want women to keep getting the plane and can't accept the overwhelming result of the referendum.

Of course I accept the referendum results. thats democracy doesn't mean I can't hope another referendum couldn't overturn it.

Faugheen

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I'd love a pro life /anti abortion political party hopefully Aontu can become that party

Nice to know you want women to keep getting the plane and can't accept the overwhelming result of the referendum.

Nobelium

Faugheen wrote: »

And the racists will vote for Casey

That's a bit like trying to claim "the homosexuals" will vote for Leo Varadkar . . . it aint necessarily so.

You throw the word racist around a lot, can you tell us what you seem to think it means as opposed to the actual dictionary and therefore true meaning in English ?

MrMusician18

Faugheen wrote: »

People say this all the time, but any party who has tried to be 'honest' has failed to do anything. See Renua, Identity Ireland etc.

The reason new parties find it hard to get going is that one of the larger established parties with the machine behind them will usually shift just enough to steal the ground from under them.

Renua failed because it was essentially a single issue party that found itself on the wrong side of the debate.

That said, if renua moves into the Casey space it might revive itself though.

Charles Ingles

Idbatterim wrote: »

Renua laughably lost a lot of votes due to their pro life stance. Funny how so many of the young electorate will take a stand on a massively grey area and yet be prepared to emigrate in droves like nurses and doctors. Or live at home in their mid thirties, due to the housing crisis. Hundreds of thousands varadkar has brainwashed there. You got e1.50 extra a week as a workers last year in USc cut, yet I bet they believe believe varadkar rewards the early risers. They’ll be rising in the middle of the night in the not too distant future, to work two jobs so they can be lifelong serfs to varadkar and his Kennedy Wilson mates.

I'd love a pro life /anti abortion political party hopefully Aontu can become that party

Beechwoodspark

Peter up to his usual tricks today I see

Gift grub last week summed him up perfectly

Idbatterim

Renua laughably lost a lot of votes due to their pro life stance. Funny how so many of the young electorate will take a stand on a massively grey area and yet be prepared to emigrate in droves like nurses and doctors. Or live at home in their mid thirties, due to the housing crisis. Hundreds of thousands varadkar has brainwashed there. You got e1.50 extra a week as a workers last year in USc cut, yet I bet they believe believe varadkar rewards the early risers. They’ll be rising in the middle of the night in the not too distant future, to work two jobs so they can be lifelong serfs to varadkar and his Kennedy Wilson mates.

Too many of the parties playing it too safe. All fishing in the same pond. Might make sense if you are the establishment, but if you have no seats and nothing to lose , better off just representing those who feel they have no voice and actually speaking up for them ...

MrMusician18

Faugheen wrote: »

And the racists will vote for Casey, which was my point. Thank you for agreeing with me.

Not at all. They could vote for a number of candidates that I would disagree with. That doesn't make those people racists.

If they're voting for Casey then they are, in my opinion, which I have said multiple times in this thread.

People praise Casey for 'sticking to his guns and not apologising' whereas I'm being ridiculed for sticking to mine and being told I need to apologise.

It's funny how it works out when people disagree with your views, isn't it?

Not all beers are largers. Just because there will be some racists voting for Casey doesn't make all Casey voters racist.
You've taken the groundless view that they are and that's why you're being told you need to apologise.

Nobelium

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could you imagine what one competent honest party could do here? Achieve 15-20% of the vote and you would have huge influence !

It certainly takes some imagination. "competent honest party" is an oxymoron if ever there was one. Honest and competent people don't go into politics.
Try to figure out the lease worst candidate in your opinion and go for that.

Faugheen

jmayo wrote: »

Well there is no way in hell she would be on the ballot paper if it wasn't for the profile she got as winner of ROT and indeed fact she was first openly gay winner.

And yes she will get votes because she is
a) FG
b) a woman
c) from Mayo
d) Gay
e) nice to some people that have met her

And the racists will vote for Casey, which was my point. Thank you for agreeing with me.

jmayo wrote: »

Ah yes everyone that disagrees with you is a racist

Not at all. They could vote for a number of candidates that I would disagree with. That doesn't make those people racists.

If they're voting for Casey then they are, in my opinion, which I have said multiple times in this thread.

People praise Casey for 'sticking to his guns and not apologising' whereas I'm being ridiculed for sticking to mine and being told I need to apologise.

It's funny how it works out when people disagree with your views, isn't it?

Faugheen

Idbatterim wrote: »

Could you imagine what one competent honest party could do here? Achieve 15-20% of the vote and you would have huge influence !

People say this all the time, but any party who has tried to be 'honest' has failed to do anything. See Renua, Identity Ireland etc.

Idbatterim

Could you imagine what one competent honest party could do here? Achieve 15-20% of the vote and you would have huge influence !

jmayo

Faugheen wrote: »

Plumb said without foundation that people will vote for Maria Walsh because she’s gay and won the ROT. They have no proof of that?

Well there is no way in hell she would be on the ballot paper if it wasn't for the profile she got as winner of ROT and indeed fact she was first openly gay winner.

And yes she will get votes because she is
a) FG
b) a woman
c) from Mayo
d) Gay
e) nice to some people that have met her

Faugheen wrote: »

I’m saying that people will vote for Casey because he speaks their racist views.

I’ve asked that poster numerous times to just simply say: ‘I’m not voting for Casey because of his racist views’ and they didn’t.

Ah yes everyone that disagrees with you is a racist.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The winner had the entire political and media class behind him, casey was demonised by all from both for a week, his result was phenomenal

Casey doing so well should have been a wake up call to politicians.

The laugh is they, and the modern liberally minded mostly supposed left, still have learned nothing from what is happening all over the world.
Ordinary people are getting tired of stuff being shoved down their throats by media, celebrities, academics and politicians.

Of course these groups then label the people as ignorant, racist, bigotted right wingers.

They still haven't copped on that ordinary people are worried about globalisation, about mass immigration that affects their and their childrens future access to education, healthcare, housing, and they are worried about things like crime, terrorism, non integrating ghettos in their towns and cities.

Now the last two don't really apply to Ireland, but they are part of the mix in lots of European states at this stage.

Of course this is all played as racism and stupidity.
But is it stupid to worry about crime being perpetrated by a tiny minority who often are allowed operate outside of the laws of the land, but to add insult to injury are then awarded special status that will used to copperfasten their outsider status ?

Is it stupid to worry that large number of uneducated unskilled migrants will have detrimental effects on access to housing, education, healthcare?

Basically the politicians, the media, academics, NGOs, the connected ones and the right on well meaning crowd are telling the people there is nothing to worry about. Basically it is a suck it up.
And you are a racist for evening voicing your concerns.

And the same ones then wonder why if the hopeless, the bumblers, the right wingers who listen, or the shysters who pretend to listen, are getting the votes.

Yes there are the bigots, the racists, the religious conservatives, the real right wingers, but according to some everyone not subscribing to their exact views are now racists and bigots.

On a world stage one example of how fooked the world has become is when a LGB campaigner and pioneer such as Martina Navratilova is lambasted for not being an excusor of the modern LGBT lunacy in womens/transexual sport.

Idbatterim wrote: »

We need him to run for The dail. Not Europe. The guy is totally clueless. It goes to show what one guy speaking the truth can do, so many other weaknesses but speaking the truth and he wins a sizeable percentage of the vote !

That is because so few now speak anything resembling the truth.
It is a rarity and refreshing.
The comment by the panel on the night of the debate about traveller halting sites spoke volumes as to who was honest and not a complete disingenous liar.
The

MrMusician18

is_that_so wrote: »

No it's not there for the taking, at least not in this. The three incumbents should be returned ad FF with two candidates would be favoured for seat number 4. I really don't get why posters imagine the Presidential vote is future evidence of any voting intentions.

Perhaps not in this election as the constituency is a bit too diverse. He may well be running this time to maintain profile for the upcoming GE. If Casey ran in Longford Westmeath for example I think he could not just win a seat but top the poll

trashcan

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Hahahaha the only alternative is to give them houses.

Give me a break. We can do like Australia and send them to an island. That worked for Oz. Sharp drop in the number of "asylum seekers" once they realised they were not getting a cushy life in a b&b

Yeah, you realise that would still be direct provision, and probably cost as much if not more. ? (Any particular island in mind by the way ?) Back in the real world, whether you like it or not there, are certain minimum standards that we are obliged to maintain in respect of housing asylum seekers. Direct Provision seems to be either a cushy number for freeloaders, or an inhumane prison system, according to your worldview. In reality it's an imperfect answer to fulfill our international obligations, while not making the system her overly attractive. It's clearly not ideal that people spend years in the system, but as pointed out elsewhere that is really down to appeals and court cases, which can take years. Initial asylum claims are decided on relatively quickly. If you see someone complaining they are in the system for 7/8 years you can be sure they are not on their first trip around the block. Many of them would actually have deportation orders which they are challenging in Court. That's the real elephant in the room here. The High Court needs serious resources allocated to it to deal with cases. I'd favour a dedicated Immigration court system myself.

is_that_so

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I think the support for Casey highlights the lack of truth and sincerity that exists in Irish politics and by extension media. He is a terrible candidate, lacks coherence, has a poor media presence and has no real policy platform. With this in mind he is still doing well and polled extremely well in the Pres Election, it's extraordinary.

I thought the chameleon like FF would move into the Casey space after the election, but seems they haven't, probably out of fear of losing the media. That ground is there for the taking in Midlands north west and there's enough of it for more than a few Dail seats.

A charismatic operator with a more fleshed out programme building on the issues that Casey stumbled into could do really well in this area. I won't be the only one watching to see how well he polls.

No it's not there for the taking, at least not in this. The three incumbents should be returned ad FF with two candidates would be favoured for seat number 4. I really don't get why posters imagine the Presidential vote is future evidence of any voting intentions.

Faugheen

BarryD2 wrote: »

This mantra is not serving you well at all. It is entirely possible for people to vote for Casey because they see a germ of truth in his allegations. Doesn't mean they agree with him entirely. And doesn't imply they are racist at all.

But he has no policy or means in which to address them.

Why are you voting for someone who just says things? If he had an actual policy which could reasonably address these issues then I’d reconsider what I’m saying about people who vote for him. Until then, while they’re happy for him to shout about immigrants and doing nothing about it then I’ll continue to group people in the way that I am.

You really, really are not getting this whatsoever. I’ve said the above dozens of times in this thread and all I get back are people saying ‘but but he’s speaks the truth.’

He has no policies to address ‘the truth’, so why are you bothering? He’s no different to any of the rest of the political class.

is_that_so

eagle eye wrote: »

You see he has opened up a new way to get media coverage and votes. You'll see younger people who'll do what he is doing only much better in the next general election.

He hasn't actually done anything. I don't think he'll be elected but if that's what you mean about the next GE it happens all the time.

eagle eye

is_that_so wrote:

He deserves a roasting for the flaky policies, none of which have any substance and vary at a moment's notice.

You see he has opened up a new way to get media coverage and votes. You'll see younger people who'll do what he is doing only much better in the next general election.

MrMusician18

Idbatterim wrote: »

We need him to run for The dail. Not Europe. The guy is totally clueless. It goes to show what one guy speaking the truth can do, so many other weaknesses but speaking the truth and he wins a sizeable percentage of the vote !

I think the support for Casey highlights the lack of truth and sincerity that exists in Irish politics and by extension media. He is a terrible candidate, lacks coherence, has a poor media presence and has no real policy platform. With this in mind he is still doing well and polled extremely well in the Pres Election, it's extraordinary.

I thought the chameleon like FF would move into the Casey space after the election, but seems they haven't, probably out of fear of losing the media. That ground is there for the taking in Midlands north west and there's enough of it for more than a few Dail seats.

A charismatic operator with a more fleshed out programme building on the issues that Casey stumbled into could do really well in this area. I won't be the only one watching to see how well he polls.

BarryD2

Faugheen wrote: »

I’m saying that people will vote for Casey because he speaks their racist views..

This mantra is not serving you well at all. It is entirely possible for people to vote for Casey because they see a germ of truth in his allegations. Doesn't mean they agree with him entirely. And doesn't imply they are racist at all.

is_that_so

Mad_maxx wrote: »

He isn't being roasted by the left for bringing up domestic matters within the remit of an EU campaign, he's being roasted for raising the issue full stop, were he running in a general election in meath East where a large DP centre is located, you would see the same media and left wing response

DP is holy to the left

He deserves a roasting for the flaky policies, none of which have any substance, nor any relationship to what he's running for and vary at a moment's notice.

Mad_maxx

is_that_so wrote: »

Not EU issues. Once again he's campaigning for the wrong job!

He isn't being roasted by the left for bringing up domestic matters within the remit of an EU campaign, he's being roasted for raising the issue full stop, were he running in a general election in meath East where a large DP centre is located, you would see the same media and left wing response

DP is holy to the left

is_that_so

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Michael D got a nice massage on his size 3 feet by the media from start to finish

Well, what they could say about the other candidates would barely fill a crossword puzzle so it was wall to wall Michael D!

Mad_maxx

Faugheen wrote: »

...but he got walloped.

You can make up any excuse you want, but Michael D was under immense pressure to reveal his expenses and was challenged about it practically every time he was on air.

Don't give me the bull**** about how he had the media behind him. The media scrutinised him more than they did McAleese or Robinson.

Casey lost by a country mile. 77% of the country voted against him.

Michael D got a nice massage on his size 3 feet by the media from start to finish

Mad_maxx

is_that_so wrote: »

And all of this relates to candidacy for the EU Parliament how?

The only thing anyone can be absolutely sure of is that all Louise o reilly voters are deaf

Idbatterim

We need him to run for The dail. Not Europe. The guy is totally clueless. It goes to show what one guy speaking the truth can do, so many other weaknesses but speaking the truth and he wins a sizeable percentage of the vote !

eagle eye

sameoldname wrote:

So basically, people are stupid? They aren't going to look at European issues when voting for an EU position, they're going to vote on domestic issues that the candidate can't and won't do anything about? And people wonder why politicians disappoint them?
As depressing as that reality is, I actually agree with you. That is the way a lot voters vote. And people like Casey know it.

Now you see where I'm coming from and yes a lot of voters are stupid.

Plumbthedepths

FrancieBrady wrote:

You likened the job of President, ( ie the President)as being capable of being carried out by a monkey. Disparaging? Yep.

You said I likened the president to a monkey, which was a lie on your behalf. So tell me do you think being a liar gives your comments more or less credibility?

MrMusician18

Faugheen wrote: »

So you ignore everything I've said because I cut out the one irrelevant remark that you've made?

I'm talking about Peter Casey and the European election, not some TD who doesn't run in my constituency. Stick to that topic like a good man.

No, it's pertinent because it shows up the flaws in your argument. Brid Smith is an actual communist who believes that workers should wrest the means of production from the "Bosses" (she actually said that in an interview on Newstalk) yet those that vote for her are not all communists? Casey on the other hand who had not set out a racist stall gets all his voters labeled as racists?

You can't have it both ways.