buffalo wrote: » Bloom is a recurring event and therefore not an exception, and is an interesting aspect as to how the OPW views the Park and how it should be used.
Hurrache wrote: » And how do I get there and park with a car load of kids, their bikes and bags, and dogs? It's just adding unreasonable hurdles to using it. For all that hassle I'd just drive to Marlay Park, Malahide Castle or Ardgillan Castle, adding a bit more to my carbon footprint. Any business will then be taking from what is pretty much my local area and spent elsewhere.
cgcsb wrote: » Take public transport. Chose to drive elsewhere if you like, it is a very special park and shouldn't be stuffed with cars.
Chips Lovell wrote: » For me, parked cars aren't really the problem. It's the traffic. And it's not so much the traffic, but people driving like c**ks, without appreciating that it's first and foremost a leisure amenity, not another N-Road.
Hurrache wrote: » Not sure how familiar you are with public transport in Ireland, but it can't be done by public transport.
buffalo wrote: » You've never been to the Park during Bloom so.
cgcsb wrote: » As I posted 2 bus routes, one circling the inside of the park and the other going from Heuston to Castleknock would effectively cover the Park.
Tombo2001 wrote: » ...I've never really thought to myself - this place would be way better if there werent so many parked cars....
papu wrote: » Bought a new bike, went for a spin up and down chesterfield avenue today on the "Bike Lane". Pedestrians every 100m, whole families, buggies, kids. Asking them to move to the pedestrian lane I was told to "Get over myself" "f** off" etc. etc. one lady even told me to use the "bike lane!:rolleyes:". I would have thought the signs on the bike path are fairly self explanatory, do they need to put up more explicit signage? How do other people get on? Is this what it's like every weekend??:(
lawred2 wrote: » design problem... why is the footpath inside the barrier with no obvious means of access beyond walking across the grass? Footpaths by convention tend to be beside the road.
RayCun wrote: » That isn't cutting off though, it would still be accessible by car. 'for access' implies no through traffic Chesterfield <-> Parkgate will always be kept open for zoo, Aras, embassy, and car park at the cross. Chesterfield to North Road, Ordnance Survey as far as Farmleigh, the road to the visitor centre, and North Road to North Circular could be kept open for some through traffic and access to the amenities in the zoo, but would stop the park being used as a main road and car park.
lawred2 wrote: » design problem... why is the footpath inside the barrier with no obvious means of access beyond walking across the grass and hurdling the barrier? Footpaths by convention tend to be beside the road.
Hurrache wrote: » It's safer for families and animals with it being on the inside. Having it on the outside essentially puts you between two lanes of moving traffic and forms an artificial barrier to the rest of the park.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » Agree completely. Pedestrians expect their footpaths to be nearest the road. No wonder there is so much confusion between peds and cyclists. Should just swap them around now. Easy enough to do.
beauf wrote: » Only if your parking on the road. Remove parking, replace with cycle lane. Let the pedestrians keep the paths.
beauf wrote: » All of D15 isn't going to walk to Castlknock to get a bus. Its too big an area.
lawred2 wrote: » I'm sure it makes sense from certain perspectives but in practice (which is the truest test) it doesn't really work... Hardly anyone who isn't familiar with the Park will know to cross the grass and step over a barrier to use a walkway. It's nonsense really. And it's even dafter when one considers those with buggies/wheelchairs etc
Hurrache wrote: » The question I asked is how do you get to those routes you propose.
Hurrache wrote: » It's been debated over and over, probably on this very thread. Makes no sense in terms of usability and safety to swap them.
lawred2 wrote: » well that's certainly a very valid idea... Would probably need to significantly extend the existing parking in the park though? Would you agree?
Spanish Eyes wrote: » Why? I am very used to walking in the Pheeno, but with headphones in and off in a dream I very often start in the cycle lane because it is innate, that is where I expect the pedestrian footpath to be!
cgcsb wrote: » You make it sound like there is no public transport at all outside the park.
cgcsb wrote: » By public transport, walking or cycling
beauf wrote: » Not if you don't want cars in the park. No parking, no cars.
