Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet you have been making excuses for them, yeah..... you're totally against it

No I haven't. Some of you guys need help with your understanding of words as much as you need help with understanding why this keeps happening.
You can still condemn even if you know why something is happening.

gormdubhgorm

I think Saoradh have created a martyr. But not the kind of martyr that will help thier cause.
Plus she is already being styled as the epitome of new Ireland by the media. LGBT activist etc etc.

It looks like it will stop Saoradh from gaining any ground much like the way the Omagh bombing had on the RIRA.

Hopefully if any good will come out of it will shake up those so called politicians in Stormont out of thier slumber and they will start doing what they are paid to do?

batgoat wrote: »

An innocent woman was murdered by the New Ira, maybe cop on and stop treating her as collateral damage. The British are not those at fault for what happened. I hope those responsible are put away for a very long time.

There's no one condoning the murder of Lyra! No one wants a return to violence. The presence of the British army is a threat to that. This needs to be questioned. Why are they there?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I condemned it and I am totally against dissident activity.

And yet you have been making excuses for them, yeah..... you're totally against it

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And if anyone can defend it or make an excuse for it it's you frankie.

I condemned it and I am totally against dissident activity.

James Brown

timthumbni wrote: »

Of course violent republicans have a history in Londonderry for shooting 29 year old woman.

Joanne Mathers was a 29 year old Protestant woman who the IRA shot dead on someone’s doorstep as she committed the ghastly crime in the eyes of weirdo bloodthirsty republicans of taking a census. She was the mother of a one year old baby.

Again perhaps the laughable so called green book or whatever it’s called needs updated. This latest rebranding of the Ira appears to be following the same path of insane violence with bomb and bullet that the provies did a few years back so maybe they are using the old provo textbook.

All with the same sad, predictable outcome. Not of anything being united of course but the exact opposite.

You should really proof read before you post. So many inaccuracies.

batgoat

Farawayhome wrote: »

So the British army were not there?

An innocent woman was murdered by the New Ira, maybe cop on and stop treating her as collateral damage. The British are not those at fault for what happened. I hope those responsible are put away for a very long time.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If anyone can exploit the death of an innocent it would be you Tim.

And if anyone can defend it or make an excuse for it it's you frankie.

James Brown

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Genuine issues?? Jesus wept.

Have they also got “genuine” aims of bringing back daily bombings, punishment beatings and hundreds of civilians deaths?

Or have they “genuine” concerns over who controls the drug trade and other criminal rackets?

Did you even read the post I was responding to or mine? He listed every protest under the sun as just being about sticking it to the man, (water, repossessions, Garda, Nurses). And I spoke on these shams separately that I wouldn't put them in the category of 'sticking it to the man'. Get your act together.

BBFAN wrote: »

Ah come on Matt, I have the utmost respect for your posts most of the time. But I can also recognise that there is definitely an element out there who will support anything simply because they have no lives.

If you listen regularly to radio you'll notice these guys. They are regular callers to every single radio station so they've obviously nothing else to do with their day.

It's sad but true that these people are just looking for somewhere to belong, company or attention.

Yes, I'm sure some have nothing better to do, but it's a bullsh*t argument. We can say the same about literally everything. Some go to FG meetings because they like being a busy body, not the politics, some join the army because they want to wear a uniform not defend the country and so on. It's pointless.

timthumbni wrote: »

Of course violent republicans have a history in Londonderry for shooting 29 year old woman.

Joanne Mathers was a 29 year old Protestant woman who the IRA shot dead on someone’s doorstep as she committed the ghastly crime in the eyes of weirdo bloodthirsty republicans of taking a census. She was the mother of a one year old baby.

Again perhaps the laughable so called green book or whatever it’s called needs updated. This latest rebranding of the Ira appears to be following the same path of insane violence with bomb and bullet that the provies did a few years back so maybe they are using the old provo textbook.

All with the same sad, predictable outcome. Not of anything being united of course but the exact opposite.

If anyone can exploit the death of an innocent it would be you Tim.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

No no no. The IRA didn't ask them for money.
The IRA *told* them that if they didn't pay towards the cause their shop would be burnt down.

You tried to suggest that they weren't terrorists.
Which they most definitely were!

Did you not read any of the stats I gave you? They clearly targetted military personnel and those involved in the war. There were times when they retaliated to the sectarian murders of the British side, they should never have stooped to this level.
Obviously, war is horrible and civilians always die but for the British side to kill such a high percentage of innocents shows that they were the terrorists.

Tomas81

Seth Brundle wrote: »

No no no. The IRA didn't ask them for money.
The IRA *told* them that if they didn't pay towards the cause their shop would be burnt down.

You tried to suggest that they weren't terrorists.
Which they most definitely were!

Where did this allegedly happen Seth?

timthumbni

Of course violent republicans have a history in Londonderry for shooting 29 year old woman.

Joanne Mathers was a 29 year old Protestant woman who the IRA shot dead on someone’s doorstep as she committed the ghastly crime in the eyes of weirdo bloodthirsty republicans of taking a census. She was the mother of a one year old baby.

Again perhaps the laughable so called green book or whatever it’s called needs updated. This latest rebranding of the Ira appears to be following the same path of insane violence with bomb and bullet that the provies did a few years back so maybe they are using the old provo textbook.

All with the same sad, predictable outcome. Not of anything being united of course but the exact opposite.

rosser44 wrote: »

So about 1% of the population, in a republican stronghold???

Ya, a force to be reckoned with. /s

The poster was talking about handfuls of people. It is sadly much more than that and the really scary thing is that those numbers are growing not decreasing. As is evidenced by the ramping up of incidents.

Seth Brundle

Tomas81 wrote: »

Your relations were asked for money by the IRA?

No no no. The IRA didn't ask them for money.
The IRA *told* them that if they didn't pay towards the cause their shop would be burnt down.

Farawayhome wrote: »

I never said that the PIRA were angels. They did some horrible things. What I'm saying is that they mostly stuck with military targets, the stats back that up.
The stats also show that the British side were the terrorists. They targetted innocent people. They killed over 1,000 civilians.

You tried to suggest that they weren't terrorists.
Which they most definitely were!

Mortelaro wrote: »

You miss my point
I'm not saying they'd be stupid to advocate that
I said any party
My point is the only voters they'd have left is a few hundred of the 'new' IRA crowd because they'd love it
They haven't got the memo on democracy yet

Sigh,there are about 1 million Brits in NI,so I'd imagine you know,they take offense at the Brits out and enemy forces lingo used by anyone really
Its a by the by anyway as my example was to say putting shooting psni to the vote wouldn't win many votes

Your point, if there is one, makes zero sense to me.

What about these groups says they are looking for votes?

BBFAN

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. You're dismissing genuine people with genuine issues because you may not agree with them.
I think shooting some young journalist dead, even by mistake, wouldn't be filled under 'sticking it to the man'.

Ah come on Matt, I have the utmost respect for your posts most of the time. But I can also recognise that there is definitely an element out there who will support anything simply because they have no lives.

If you listen regularly to radio you'll notice these guys. They are regular callers to every single radio station so they've obviously nothing else to do with their day.

It's sad but true that these people are just looking for somewhere to belong, company or attention.

Aegir wrote: »

Can you not tell the difference between the police and the army?

It’s not difficult.

So the British army were not there?

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Farawayhome wrote: »

The British army presence is a problem. They are stoking the tensions. Knowing how they behaved in the past, not only the murders but the intimidation and beatings they handed out, they are not looked upon favourably by any Nationalist but especially by those in Derry. Them throwing their weight around will only increase support for these groups like the New IRA.

Can you not tell the difference between the police and the army?

It’s not difficult.

Tomas81 wrote: »

Again.... read my posts saoradh aren't republicans they are crims.

They identify as republicans wether you agree or not, all scrotes in my eyes, hopefully next time they try a stunt like this a few hundred people will walk alongside them with large sheets blocking them off from decent folk.

rosser44

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's all very easy to dismiss support for these groups.

But I was suprised to hear a security expert on radio this morning say that they have support in Derry in the 1000 people range.

So about 1% of the population, in a republican stronghold???

Ya, a force to be reckoned with. /s

Tomas81

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So it would have been ok to open fire on the idiots marching down oconnell st last week as they were in "uniform"?

Again.... read my posts saoradh aren't republicans they are crims.

EmmetSpiceland

Matt Barrett wrote: »

genuine people with genuine issues

Genuine issues?? Jesus wept.

Have they also got “genuine” aims of bringing back daily bombings, punishment beatings and hundreds of civilians deaths?

Or have they “genuine” concerns over who controls the drug trade and other criminal rackets?

Tomas81

Creol1 wrote: »

That link dates back to 2010. However, as recently as 2015 the killing of ex-PIRA member Kevin McGuigan was linked to the PIRA by the PSNI.

They have decommissioned but they have never dissolved and there is no proof their basic structures have been stood down.

Then where is the proof their basic structures havent been stood down

James Brown

_Brian wrote: »

There’s an element out there wearing tin foil hats and waiting for every group that come along to “stick it to the man”.

They don’t care if it’s water charges, repossessions, unionists, nationalists, doctors nurses or guards. They just want to be seen to be anti something organised.

These are the people falling over themselves to support this nonsense.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. You're dismissing genuine people with genuine issues because you may not agree with them.
I think shooting some young journalist dead, even by mistake, wouldn't be filled under 'sticking it to the man'.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would they (SF) advocate that? They have gotten the British to say that they have no strategic interest in Ireland and that it is for the people of Ireland to decide it's future.

You miss my point
I'm not saying they'd be stupid to advocate that
I said any party
My point is the only voters they'd have left is a few hundred of the 'new' IRA crowd because they'd love it
They haven't got the memo on democracy yet

If the last 20 years says anything, it is that the IRA have gotten sufficient for them to cease operations.
It was never the IRA's or indeed the SF's intention to cleanse Ireland of unionists or loyalists as far as I know, but I may have missed that. Do you have a link/proof?

Sigh,there are about 1 million Brits in NI,so I'd imagine you know,they take offense at the Brits out and enemy forces lingo used by anyone really
Its a by the by anyway as my example was to say putting shooting psni to the vote wouldn't win many votes

The British army presence is a problem. They are stoking the tensions. Knowing how they behaved in the past, not only the murders but the intimidation and beatings they handed out, they are not looked upon favourably by any Nationalist but especially by those in Derry. Them throwing their weight around will only increase support for these groups like the New IRA.

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I find a lot of this “online” support baffling.

I mean, what sort of person, in this day and age, would defend and support groups such as these??

It's all very easy to dismiss support for these groups.

But I was suprised to hear a security expert on radio this morning say that they have support in Derry in the 1000 people range. Admittedly Derry is at centre of this as it was in 69 but if that is even gotten close to across the province that is support that can do damage.
For those of us along the border who clearly remember the conflict/war these are worrying times.

EmmetSpiceland

Yermande wrote: »

Idiots.

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too, Y.

mosstin wrote: »

Ben Dunne Gyms?

Not following, M. Is it something to do with criminality and people getting shot outside those type of gyms?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Someone or something like this one would imagine, Emmet.

Jesus, Johnny, that made me laugh out loud here. Proper belly laugh. From being on here that’s exactly the type I’d picture. Very good.

_Brian wrote: »

There’s an element out there wearing tin foil hats and waiting for every group that come along to “stick it to the man”.

They don’t care if it’s water charges, repossessions, unionists, nationalists, doctors nurses or guards. They just want to be seen to be anti something organised.

These are the people falling over themselves to support this nonsense.

That’s just sad, Brian. Just professional protesters with nothing better to do with their time. Losers.