seamus wrote: » Maybe you didn't explicitly justify it, but your intention is to try and claim that "justified" is a matter of opinion, and these guys have their reasons. I'm simply pointing out that having their reasons, is irrelevant. Everyone does everything for a reason. Claiming that there's some deeper cultural memory here is jumping the gun, especially considering what has transpired in the last 20 years. It's far more likely that this is a group of misguided scum, many of whom we'll be surprised to hear have "Irish heritage" rather than an Irish passport, who think that they're answering an ancient call to arms over a border issue that has been largely resolved. There's no way to "listen" to them and peacefully satisfy their ideals without denying the people of Ireland the right to self-determination. If they had any testicles and convictions, they would try to fight their corner inside the political system. Instead they have found an entire island who doesn't share their blunt interpretation of the border issue, so they've decided to get angry and violent instead of just fvkcing off because they're not wanted.
markodaly wrote: » Christ, even for you Francie this is delightful. No, Mandella did not orchestrate a 30 years long war, which included the bombing and maiming of innocent woman and children. They were not exactly the same thing.
blanch152 wrote: » Are you trying to understand him as well, or trying to look a bit deeper to understand why he did what he did?
Farawayhome wrote: » The PIRA did not start the war nor did they kill as many civilians as the British side.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Maybe the Old IRA will make it known that the New IRA's activities are unhelpful, esp when it comes to provoking a security crackdown and, for example making ATM's harder to rob.
markodaly wrote: » Not true at all. Irish Republicans killed more civilians than the British Army and Loyalists combined.
janfebmar wrote: » The Pira killed more Catholics than the British did. The 50s border campaign was started by republicans, long before the troubles.
Farawayhome wrote: » The PIRA were not fighting a sectarian war, that was the other side. The IRA were finished until unionist terrorists started a bombing campaign in 1966.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Utterly clueless.
Larbre34 wrote: » They didn't successfully fight a 30 year war. I think by any yardstick, success in a war would be the surrender or destruction of an enemy and the gain or regain of territory and assets. Even as we speak none of that has changed. The Stormont assembly (when its convened) came out of a background of peace and a political process, but you couldn't even describe it as joint authority.
johnsie wrote: » It takes a very depraved and warped person to try to justify shooting an illegally held gun into a crowded street and killing an innocent person.
facehugger99 wrote: » The Republic of Ireland should announce that it has no wish to unify with NI. This would simultaneously be a reflection of reality and remove any quasi-justification these 'Nationalist' scumbags have for their murderous actions.
Guy:Incognito wrote: » If these lads actually had any interest in the community and making it better they'd do something productive like sorting out the gangs of teenagers running amok in areas.
janfebmar wrote: » Agreed, and an innocent police person has the same right to life as anyone else.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Knowing the north and the people there, there is support for these groups. Lyra McKee's death would be deeply regretted by a lo of that 'support'. Support will dim for a while, but innocent people have died many many times in the north and still the violence goes on. In short, the problem is not going to go away.
Tomas81 wrote: » Not true. The person yes, the uniform no.
Seth Brundle wrote: » Are you seriously justifying murder and saying that some people don't have a full right to life?
Tomas81 wrote: » If you take on a uniform of police force or armed forces in a partitioned country you need to be aware you will be attacked. It is inevitable.
Seth Brundle wrote: » ...and here's the hypocrisy coming through: on the one hand you've the IRA who weren't sectarian and on the other hand you've the unionist terrorists. :rolleyes: The IRA were always terrorists. No ifs or buts.
facehugger99 wrote: » The Republic of Ireland should announce that it has no wish to unify with NI.
facehugger99 wrote: » This would simultaneously be a reflection of reality and remove any quasi-justification these 'Nationalist' scumbags have for their murderous actions.
blanch152 wrote: » It is only inevitable if there are a sufficient number of mindless criminal thugs indoctrinated by a hateful sectarian ideology repugnant to 99% of the people on this island. Don't you agree?
Tomas81 wrote: » If it was secterianism when was the last secterian murder by the IRA?
