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Killer Robots

Fathom

Drones occupy battlefields today. Airborne. Strike targets. Automated warfare exists today. This technology said to be an expanding "continuum." AI weapons development replacing direct human involvement. Should limits be placed on such “lethal autonomous weapons?” Computer scientist Stewart Russell at University of California at Berkeley thinks so. But is it too late? Ask I-Robot? Terminator? Sci Fi leads the way? Ref: http://www.popsci.com/big-idea-killer-robots-are-coming

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[Deleted User]

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

How would we know the difference ?

Small vocab, strange phrasing of words, repeating sound bites.

And a clear failure to understand how humans work.

Methinks that the Donald Trump found in The Hall of Presidents at Disneyland speaks and moves more like a bot than the other presidents. Were the designers and programmers having a bit of fun?

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

Methinks that the Donald Trump found in The Hall of Presidents at Disneyland speaks and moves more like a bot than the other presidents. Were the designers and programmers having a bit of fun?

Trump's robotic face and mouth!

[Deleted User]

Fathom wrote: »

Trump's robotic face and mouth!

A humourous Disney characterisation.

Fathom

Fathom wrote: »

Trump's robotic face and mouth!

Will Trump Disney Bot now claim no collusion with Russia?

Rubecula

Fathom wrote: »

Will Trump Disney Bot now claim no collusion with Russia?

something odd about the trend of the thread now, I find it very funny (I have a strangely warped sense of humour the sort that will have me rushing t help a nice person with a broken foot but just fall about laughing if the person is a relative.. but I find that

I can not laugh at all now (I have fallen and hurt my ribs)

[Deleted User]

Reading a novel called Drones.

Rubecula

sounds like it is set in a bee hive

does it drone on and on?

[Deleted User]

Rubecula wrote: »

sounds like it is set in a bee hive does it drone on and on?

Using a fictional story, the author claims that there are several autonomous weapons systems in use today, including one as small as a mosquito for surveillance or poisoning.

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

Using a fictional story, the author claims that there are several autonomous weapons systems in use today, including one as small as a mosquito for surveillance or poisoning.

That's small! Credible?

Capt'n Midnight

Fathom wrote: »

That's small! Credible?

Nah

Way too BIG for Micro-Electro-Mechanical Systems. MEMS.

You can make machines so small they can't use wheels because of frictional effects. You have to make things that bend rather than slide.

Rubecula

Swannie I was wondering if you had read the book Star Fire by Ingo Swann? I think you would like it if you have not already read it.

[Deleted User]

Rubecula wrote: »

Swannie I was wondering if you had read the book Star Fire by Ingo Swann? I think you would like it if you have not already read it.

No. Have not read it. Will check it out. Thanks.

Fathom

Neither I.

Rubecula

I remmend it to you both in that case, it is set in the present era so it is a possible way of the word (Ingo Swann is a trained mind user ESP and such like so you get the idea of his novel )

[Deleted User]

Campaign to Stop Killer Robots cites a global poll claiming that 61% oppose these bots.

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

Campaign to Stop Killer Robots cites a global poll claiming that 61% oppose these bots.

Polls probably reflect fictional Skynet.

Capt'n Midnight

Fathom wrote: »

Polls probably reflect fictional Skynet.

Or actual real world killer robots like
the Predator drones
or the Samsung SGR-A1 sentry gun
or the Northrop Grumman X-47B

or the Robot Defence Systems PROWLER featured in the 1985 Chuck Norris movie Code of Silence.

A human can recognise surrendering , can a robot ?

Fathom

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A human can recognise surrendering , can a robot ?

Great question!

Rubecula

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Or actual real world killer robots like
the Predator drones
or the Samsung SGR-A1 sentry gun
or the Northrop Grumman X-47B

or the Robot Defence Systems PROWLER featured in the 1985 Chuck Norris movie Code of Silence.

A human can recognise surrendering , can a robot ?

only if it is programmed to

Capt'n Midnight

Rubecula wrote: »

only if it is programmed to

It's hard to wreck a nice beach.

And video processing is way harder.

Body language ? Gestures ? These aren't universal. And most people don't behave normally when faced with certain death so it's going to be difficult to train that AI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-mju0HwfwA

From a 1987 documentary.

[Deleted User]

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Body language ? Gestures ? These aren't universal. And most people don't behave normally when faced with certain death so it's going to be difficult to train that AI.

Comparatively speaking, there was a time when the language translation capacities for No Such Agency, etc., were so limited for such languages as Arabic and Farsi that humans were needed in the loop to facilitate such translations, especially when tribal dialects and colloquial expressions confounded meanings. Now AI translations are so fast and accurate as to compute the meanings faster than humans.

More common Google translations that we all have access to still have a way to go in this domain, especially with languages where there are fewer native speakers like Irish (roughly 10 thousand, rather than millions for Arabic and Farsi). I get a laugh every now and then when I read a Google Irish-English translation. But given time this will change.

Certainly "body language, gestures" etc. "which aren't universal" may take more time to compute, but the advancement of AI is going up geometrically, and given time will more than likely compete effectively and efficiently with humans (who also fail to interpret today differential expressions across cultures).

Fathom

Wired article?

[Deleted User]

Fathom wrote: »

Wired article?

An Infusion of AI Makes Google Translate More Powerful Than Ever

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

An Infusion of AI Makes Google Translate More Powerful Than Ever

AI marches on.

[Deleted User]

Fathom wrote: »

AI marches on.

AI algorithms can now learn by competing against each other. Beyond this, just imagine robots killing each other.

Rubecula

I would rather not imagine that as it is only a short step from killing a robot to killing people :eek:

Fathom

Rubecula wrote: »

I would rather not imagine that as it is only a short step from killing a robot to killing people :eek:

Killer robots ROE? Rules of engagement.

Rubecula

rules of anykind only work if a,,, the robot understands the, b.,, the robot has them programmed in,,, or c,, the humans who programmed the robot understand them.]

Capt'n Midnight

Rubecula wrote: »

rules of anykind only work if a,,, the robot understands the, b.,, the robot has them programmed in,,, or c,, the humans who programmed the robot understand them.]

Debugging : The act of replacing known bugs with unknown bugs.

NASA spend $1,000 per line of code.

Still doesn't mean they get it right every time.

[Deleted User]

Rubecula wrote: »

rules of anykind only work if a,,, the robot understands the, b.,, the robot has them programmed in,,, or c,, the humans who programmed the robot understand them.]

Algorithms competing with algorithms (i.e., self-learning) sometimes produce results not fully understood by humans, so say my programming friends. Most still laugh about Skynet, especially after a few beers.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Debugging : The act of replacing known bugs with unknown bugs.

I enjoy your humour Capt'n.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Still doesn't mean they get it right every time.

Plus... Deadline and cost overruns common. Quarterly and annual results rule in America. Beyond that, look to move to the competition for promotion, more pay, and benefits.