El_Duderino 09 wrote: » OK. I'm not sure you understand the question I'm asking. Why is 5 years too small and 20 too large? What's the purpose of the prison sentence in your opinion and how is that purpose achieved by serving 10 years in prison?
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » I thought 5 years too small and 20 too large. 10 would only be 6 in Irish prison terms anyway.
Mad_maxx wrote: » We could do with about twenty five years of dictatorship in this country, we are not a people like the nordics where civic mindedness is an intrinsic part of our culture, the scum are emboldened by our softly softly approach. First thing I'd like to see is every bleeding heart QUANGO proscribed.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What would be an appropriate sentence in your opinion?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I get That it's a crime. I'm asking how you arrived at an appropriate punishment
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » The destruction and terrorising of people at the end of their life? Deliberate violence on the weakest of society. Vicious attacks on the old. I might have been too lenient.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » How did you arrive at that conclusion?
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » For aggravated burgarlies of 80 year olds? 10 years minimum.
Hal3000 wrote: » 2 more aggravated burglaries today. Be interested to see the sentencing if they get caught. Light slap on the wrist no doubt. Our sentencing is totally screwed up.
Hal3000 wrote: » You should join the judiciary while you're waiting.
El_Bee wrote: » You're clearly trying to bait people.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Isn't it interesting that the discussion stopped when an alternative was suggested to just waiting for crimes and locking people up? We'll have to wait for the next "justice system is a joke" thread and the same characters can pretend there is no alternative to harsher sentences. Sad but that's a the way it is.
El_Bee wrote: » I have to imagine you're trolling at this stage.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What role does social cohesion play in criminality
El_Bee wrote: » What works in one country wont necessarily work in another, as people have stated in the thread there is very poor social cohesion in Ireland, especially Dublin. And if we scratch the surface of the so-called utopias in scandinavia, they are experiences growing problems that their lenient and rehabilitation-led systems cant seem to address. As far as what we leave our kids, lets look at what they're seeing in my area for example, open air drug dealing, joyriding cars and motorbikes, anti-social behaviour, and absolutely no repercussions for it, none, zero.https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/girl-attack-woodstown-dublin-gardai-16095063 is the current system working?
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » No I was at the point of asking you to tell us what works rather than hand waving about mythical other countries where something you can’t explain somehow works. It’s not even clear ireland locks people up more than most (and more importantly relative to crime levels) or that we don’t in fact have rehabilitate facilities - we do.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What's the answer? The first thing to do Is ask what works and what doesn't work in other comparable countries. Obviously. Same as everything. But without even being curious about whether it works or not, you conclude we should just lo k them up. Don't you care about the world you're leaving for your children? If scumbag behaviour grows faster than you can lock people away, then the problems will grow over time. More victims of crime and more people locked away. Sounds like the worst of all possible worlds.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Now you're getting it. Those are the correct first questions. I didn't claim to have the answers. But starting and ending with "lock em up" is a surefire way to limit your Chances of success. Delighted you're finally at the point of asking what actually works.
raze_them_all_ wrote: » You have no idea how amusing it is that you are calling me a snow flake. And no relative to space you still know **** all, but that's the problem with ignorance, you're too thick to realise you know **** all.
Hal3000 wrote: » If that's relative to space, I would be occupying most of the thimble. Your comprehension of sentencing is snowflake-esque.....let's just hope nothing ever lands at your door. I wonder then will you ask the judge to go easy on them ????
raze_them_all_ wrote: » nobody is getting 4-5 years for murder. that is just a stupid thing to say. Would people be willing to stump up more taxes to build more jails? i bet not
Hal3000 wrote: » Again, I would be only interested in locking up serial repeat offenders so your point above is of no relevance. Your solution is let repeat offenders roam our streets until we find out what works best !!!! Hmmmm, Don't you care about the world you're leaving for your children??????
