El_Bee wrote: » What works in one country wont necessarily work in another, as people have stated in the thread there is very poor social cohesion in Ireland, especially Dublin. And if we scratch the surface of the so-called utopias in scandinavia, they are experiences growing problems that their lenient and rehabilitation-led systems cant seem to address. As far as what we leave our kids, lets look at what they're seeing in my area for example, open air drug dealing, joyriding cars and motorbikes, anti-social behaviour, and absolutely no repercussions for it, none, zero.https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/girl-attack-woodstown-dublin-gardai-16095063 is the current system working?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What role does social cohesion play in criminality
El_Bee wrote: » I have to imagine you're trolling at this stage.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Isn't it interesting that the discussion stopped when an alternative was suggested to just waiting for crimes and locking people up? We'll have to wait for the next "justice system is a joke" thread and the same characters can pretend there is no alternative to harsher sentences. Sad but that's a the way it is.
El_Bee wrote: » You're clearly trying to bait people.
Hal3000 wrote: » You should join the judiciary while you're waiting.
Hal3000 wrote: » 2 more aggravated burglaries today. Be interested to see the sentencing if they get caught. Light slap on the wrist no doubt. Our sentencing is totally screwed up.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What would be an appropriate sentence in your opinion?
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » For aggravated burgarlies of 80 year olds? 10 years minimum.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » How did you arrive at that conclusion?
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » The destruction and terrorising of people at the end of their life? Deliberate violence on the weakest of society. Vicious attacks on the old. I might have been too lenient.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I get That it's a crime. I'm asking how you arrived at an appropriate punishment
Mad_maxx wrote: » We could do with about twenty five years of dictatorship in this country, we are not a people like the nordics where civic mindedness is an intrinsic part of our culture, the scum are emboldened by our softly softly approach. First thing I'd like to see is every bleeding heart QUANGO proscribed.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » I thought 5 years too small and 20 too large. 10 would only be 6 in Irish prison terms anyway.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » OK. I'm not sure you understand the question I'm asking. Why is 5 years too small and 20 too large? What's the purpose of the prison sentence in your opinion and how is that purpose achieved by serving 10 years in prison?
Hal3000 wrote: » 10 to 15 years . And for you, let me guess. 3 with 2 suspended.....
sydthebeat wrote: » Surely the purpose of the length of the prison sentence is as a deterrent to the offender from committing the crime? And surely the longer the sentence the bigger the deterrent? Isn't that pretty much what this thread is about?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » If that was the case wouldn't the sentence be tailored to the likelihood of recidivism rather than the severity of the actual crime?
Ush1 wrote: » Something tells me that if you're committing violent burglaries, it's not your first rodeo.
sydthebeat wrote: » Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean that the current sentencing "just" takes the severity of the crime into account.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » In your ideal system wouldn't that be the way it's done though? The sentence should deter the person from committing the same crime again so it should be linked to the likelihood of recidivism rather than the actual crime itself?
