average_runner wrote: » Not really. My interest on the helmets was there any evidence showing they were or were not effective for cyclists. If helmets provide safety for head injuries when cycling, surely then its a good idea to safe at least 1 life? Do you agree or disagree in relation to just cycling? Now if you want to go down the road of what other modes of transport should or have for safety, then ideally cyclists should have the same protection gear a motorcyclists has, pads for knees and elbows, and back protection also when racing.
velo.2010 wrote: »
rubadub wrote: » wow, some great points there, so eloquent. You sad pathetic troll.
07Lapierre wrote: » When it comes to helmets while cycling, Chris Boardman has the answer...”if you want to wear a helmet, wear one. If you don’t want to wear one, don’t”
Mercian Pro wrote: » After over 2000 posts, it all comes down to this. Surely time to close the thread before we start another round of immovable opinions.
Cycle helmet safety campaign with scantily clad models sparks storm A model lies suggestively on a bed wearing little more than knickers - and a cycle helmet. It is an attempt by the German transport ministry to get younger cyclists to embrace head protection. But the video - what the Transport Minister Andreas Scheuer thinks is a hip way of getting the message across - has run into protest. "Embarrassing, stupid and sexist," said a senior female politician, two days before the campaign launch. The campaign uses an English slogan, acknowledging that a cycle helmet may be unflattering "but saves my life". Aside from the video, street posters are due to go up throughout Germany from Tuesday. The campaign features Alicija, a hopeful in Germany's Next Top Model, as well as a range of male models. But Maria Noichl, who chairs the women's committee of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), was scathing in comments to Bild newspaper: "Embarrassing, stupid and sexist when the transport minister markets his policy with naked flesh." And the Minister for the Family Franziska Giffey, also a Social Democrat, posted a picture of herself on Facebook with the comment: "With helmet and clothed". Mr Scheuer, whose conservative CSU governs in coalition with the Social Democrats and Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU, appears unfazed. His ministry defended the approach, pointing out on Twitter that the target group is young men and women who spurn helmets on aesthetic grounds. The video has been viewed by 1.78 million people aged between 14 and 49, the ministry says. According to Germany's Road Safety Association (DVR), 430 cyclists were killed on Germany's streets last year - 14% more than in 2017. Only 8% of the target age group wear helmets, the DVR says.
velo.2010 wrote: » Me, a troll? Eh...no.
rubadub wrote: » I find it ironic that she is supposed to be supporting a campaign about safety being more important than appearance yet is wearing high heels and dress, if I was a woman I would not fancy cycling in either for safety reasons.
cdaly_ wrote: » What's unsafe about high heels and a dress when cycling?
magicbastarder wrote: » this is the rather apt 'pounding your head off a brick wall' thread.
magicbastarder wrote: » the 'just one life saved' argument is an attempt to avoid the debate, not stimulate it.
theunforgiven wrote: » A stumble on your leisurely commute through traffic and hit you head off the kerb/tarmac and you will know all about it.
Fighting Tao wrote: » Kind of fits for 2 posts up. https://irishcycle.com/2019/03/31/sorry-but-no-bicycle-helmets-are-not-like-vaccinations/
terrydel wrote: » I'm very much an 'each to their own' person, if you want to wear a helmet do so, if not thats your choice. However my brother had an accident last week and its not an exaggeration to say the helmet very possibly saved his life. I think people should have the choice to wear one but that doesnt stop me thinking those that don't are incredibly stupid.
terrydel wrote: » that doesnt stop me thinking those that don't are incredibly stupid.
rubadub wrote: » You must know plenty of incredibly stupid people, depending on your age then likely yourself and very likely your parents. If this is "incredibly stupid" then what helmetless activities do you think are just a tad stupid. e.g. walking on icy footpaths with no helmet? When I was growing up nobody wore cycling helmets, and the vast majority cycled to school there must have been 500 in my school, and the same in a few other schools in my area where friends went. I never heard of a single death or bad head injury in that time. Since the rise of helmets I have heard plenty of stories of how helmets have saved peoples lives. It simply does not add up, there should have been several deaths a year, esp. with how reckless many of them were. I remember a particular corner with lads dropping like flies when it was icy.
theunforgiven wrote: » Wasn't referring to pedestrians (it may have looked that way) and was trying to make the point that it doesn't take a massive blow to the head to do some serious damage. Anyway, wear one, don't wear one . . .you're choice. I prefer to wear one.
theunforgiven wrote: » People trip and fall, hit their head and die all the time.
CramCycle wrote: » Nearly every meta study I have seen concludes that Helmet wearing does not correlate with increased rider safety or decreased mortality rate of cyclists. So while people may or may not be correct in their belief in that one incident, they are missing the huge number of nuances that mean it is not applicable to the wider world. People behave differently while wearing a helmet, whether they realise it or not, others behave differently around you. In the case of a crash , how you behave during the accident can change. And the list goes on. Wear one, don't wear one, zero f*cks should be given by anyone but yourself.
terrydel wrote: » All I can say is that had my brother not being wearing a helmet, I very likely wouldnt be reading message boards today. It saved him from far graver injuries or worse. As I said, and Im sure you read it, I dont care if other make the choice not to wear one, its simply my opinion that in the context of cycling, you are stupid not to.
terrydel wrote: » I've rode a motorbike daily for years, and know plenty others whove done the same, and the idea that people behave differently (as in more risky) simply because of the lid on your head, is kinda absurd, I dont know a single motorcyclist who would ascribe to that.
rubadub wrote: » So you are not going to answer me, fine... You just continue calling people like me stupid, maybe you are scared of looking stupid/irrational/illogical yourself if you did answer.
rubadub wrote: » If I was in a country without mandatory motorbike helmet laws, and had rented a bike & helmet, and if the helmet was stolen or lost I know I would not be driving back to the bike shop at the same speed and level of awareness as before. I would be far more risk averse, it would be absurd to think I would go the exact same speeds etc.
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