devlinio wrote: » This is being blown way out of proportion. The reaction is OTT.
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » At the top level this is the major reason why DT is despised by Washington. He can't be controlled. Cannot be bought.
Although Trump Jr. and his family are not accused of the fraud detailed in Tuesday’s charges, reports suggest it was perfectly legal money and connections that helped ease the first family’s way into Penn’s Wharton School and other elite colleges. The backdoor practice is common among wealthy families, college counselors say.https://www.philly.com/education/college-admission-scandal-trump-donald-jr-university-pennsylvania-wharton-kushner-20190314.html
Matt Barrett wrote: » Kinda puts the University/College rankings in the ****ter. Tell that to any kid lost out on a place because some rich kid bought better results or faked more extra curricular activities.
razorblunt wrote: » Yale could do with an International Airport.
steddyeddy wrote: » Lori Loughlin's daughter was one of the beneficiaries of the brides to ensure a college place. Here's her in an earlier video stating she doesn't really care about school. Remember she would have got this place of poorer kids who would kill to get a place in college.https://edition.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-university-southern-california-admission-scam-mxp-vpx.hln/video/playlists/top-news-videos/
An Ohio mother's attempt to provide her daughters with a better education has landed her behind bars. Kelley Williams-Bolar was convicted of lying about her residency to get her daughters into a better school district. "It's overwhelming. I'm exhausted," she said. "I did this for them, so there it is. I did this for them." Williams-Bolar decided four years ago to send her daughters to a highly ranked school in neighboring Copley-Fairlawn School District. But it wasn't her Akron district of residence, so her children were ineligible to attend school there, even though her father lived within the district's boundaries. The school district accused Williams-Bolar of lying about her address, falsifying records and, when confronted, having her father file false court papers to get around the system. Williams-Bolar said she did it to keep her children safe and that she lived part-time with her dad. "When my home got broken into, I felt it was my duty to do something else," Williams-Bolar said. While her children are no longer attending schools in the Copley-Fairlawn District, school officials said she was cheating because her daughters received a quality education without paying taxes to fund it. "Those dollars need to stay home with our students," school district officials said.
steddyeddy wrote: » So during my time in America I noticed an article recycled that has particular relevance to this case. Ohio woman lied about her residency so her kids got a better education in a different school sector and as a result she has landed a jail sentence. Even though the kid's father lives in that district. We need to be honest about a few things in the education system. Privilege buys you advantage over the less privileged, the school you went to plays a major role in your academic success and if you received this privilege and cry discrimination when someone points this out then you're part of the problem.https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-mom-jailed-sending-kids-school-district/story?id=12763654
Realt Dearg Sec wrote: » The problem with the school system here is that public schools are funded by local property tax, which perpetuates inequality. If you are from a rich area, you by definition have better funded schools, creating better opportunities than people in poorer areas. It's a ludicrous system.
Realt Dearg Sec wrote: » The problem with the school system here is that public schools are funded by local property tax, which perpetuates inequality. If you are from a rich area, you by definition have better funded schools, creating better opportunities than people in poorer areas. It's a ludicrous system. The only thing worse is the growing movement to get rid of public schools altogether and replace them with private charter schools. This was pioneered in New Orleans after Katrina and is now complete there: private interests swooped into a lot of arenas of public life there after the hurricane and privatised so much of the community's resources with the connivance of big businesses and their bought political allies. Chicago under Rahm Emmanuel has tried to do the same thing but there's been much more pushback there, and with some luck the new regime will undo the damage that he and his administration did. The point that it all reinforces is that the real scandal here is not the illegal actions of the people scamming the system like the people who paid bribes or this woman falsifying her address. The real scandal is the system itself, which bestows every advantage going on the already very wealthy. It's why it always disgusts me when people say that they did not have any privilege growing up, or that they got where they have because of their own hard work. They are either lying, or completely oblivious. I'm not sure which is worse.
ceadaoin. wrote: » They aren't solely funded by property tax though. Most of the funding comes from the state, the rest local, including property taxes, and a small amount from the federal government. Schools with a high level of children from low income families receive extra funding. What else should be done? The public school system in general here isn't great, even the best schools are still over crowded and not able to to give the time and resources necessary to support each child. I was even advised by a public school teacher I know to not send my child to one if I could avoid it. That's why my child goes to private school, I know that's a privilege many can't afford but that makes me an evil elitist l guess.
steddyeddy wrote: » So during my time in America I noticed an article recycled that has particular relevance to this case. Ohio woman lied about her residency so her kids got a better education in a different school sector and as a result she has landed a jail sentence. Even though the kid's father lives in that district.
ceadaoin. wrote: » That's why my child goes to private school, I know that's a privilege many can't afford but that makes me an evil elitist l guess.
Apollo Low Raise wrote: » Would you support somebody from Crumlin lying about where she lived and falsifying records so that she could send her kids to school in Blackrock?
Twenty Grand wrote: » Yep. Everyone wants what's best for their kids. If I had to lie to get my children out of a deis school into a safer, more productive environment then I would.
Apollo Low Raise wrote: » Grand. But can't say you support one mother falsifying her address to get her children into a better school, but you don't support another mother bribing officials to get her children into a better university. "Everyone wants what's best for their kids" can be dragged out as a justification in both cases.
steddyeddy wrote: » You're comparing a very poor woman lying to get her kids into a better school to a rich woman whose kids already went to a private school lying to get her children into a mediocre college?
ceadaoin. wrote: » They aren't solely funded by property tax though. Most of the funding comes from the state, the rest local, including property taxes, and a small amount from the federal government. Schools with a high level of children from low income families receive extra funding. What else should be done?
steddyeddy wrote: » I meant to address this C. I think the key to helping more is education. For example you rightly acknowledge that your child wouldn't have done as well in public school. I agree with you. The research indicates that the school one attends determines his/her grades and therefore access to third level education. We know for example that comparing two children, both with A grades but one public school educated and one private school educated, it will be the public school child that is superior academically and will generally do better in university. In other words the private-public divide in education isn't giving us a good idea of who deserves to go to university. It's just giving us a good idea of whose parents have more money. We need to realise as you seem to, that private schooling will usually award the child better results than if they went public. Universities need to reflect that in their admission policies.
ceadaoin. wrote: » I wasn't too worried about the academics, she would have done just as well, she is already a few grade levels ahead in her reading and vocabulary etc. but I have no illusions that us paying for her schooling have contributed to that. It's because she is just very smart (yes I know, all parents say that but she is!) and I've always encouraged reading and she enjoys it.
"I just know for her personally, coming from a kindergarten class of 12 kids, a class size of 30 or even 40 just wouldn't work because she needs to be challenged"
]I wasn't too worried about the academics, she would have done just as well
I just know for her personally, coming from a kindergarten class of 12 kids, a class size of 30 or even 40 just wouldn't work because she needs to be challenged. I'm not trying to buy her "smarts" or good grades but trying to give her the best chance to thrive
This is also a problem for kids who might struggle in some areas in public school. It's easy for them though get left behind when there aren't enough resources to help each child as an individual. A smart or even mediocre kid with parents who are involved in their schooling will do well in any learning environment IMO.
Apollo Low Raise wrote: » I'm pointing out the inconsistency in defending one parent who lied and falsified records to get her children into a better school, while condemning another parent who bribed officials to get her child into a better college. Do you believe that poor people have a right to act dishonestly, while wealthier people should be held to a different standard?
poisonated wrote: » Reading some of the posts here, people seem to think that private schools have better teachers. That is not true.
Ella Mealy Visa wrote: » Yup, same training.
We find that independent schools are employing a disproportionate share of teachers in Britain, relative to the number of pupils they educate, and that the gap between the independent and state sector has been increasing. Independent school teachers are more likely than state school teachers to possess post-graduate qualifications, and to be specialists in shortage subjects.
steddyeddy wrote: » Same training? You mean the training you do to be a teacher or the education you receive in the subject you teach.
