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It hit 19 degrees in Manchester today and here its like a day in May, so rapid climate change or still just weather.

In 50 years will Ireland be covered in vineyards.

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PokeHerKing

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

The vast majority of scientists do believe in AGW.

Gotta love the Internet. Always has an answer to a question nobody asked.

Did I say the majority don't believe in AGW? I'll save you the mental arithmetic and give you the answer. No I did not.

Akrasia

kneemos wrote: »

Just so people are aware humans are responsible for point two or three of one percent of greenhouse gases.

Greenhouse gases are three or four percent of the atmosphere.

Humans are responsible for 30% of C02 currently in the atmosphere (pre-industrial being about 280ppm and current CO2 being 410ppm

CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, despite being small in total composition of atmospheric gasses, is and always has been one of the main drivers of global climate

Cina

suicide_circus wrote: »

science dosnt have a 100% track record. alchemy was science at one stage.

That was hardly my point, at all. Not sure why you're being so contrary by bringing that up. We've seen enough evidence in the last ~100 years and there has been more than enough research done to show the damaging effects we are having on the planet. We can see it on a daily basis, just look at our weather here, right now, and the weird weather we've had in the last few years, too.

So no, Science hasn't always been right, but give Scientists a prolonged amount of time and the resources to research properly and they often tend to be. I'd certainly trust their opinion and research more than I'd trust climate change deniers who have zero facts to go on.

kneemos

Akrasia wrote: »

Humans are responsible for 30% of C02 currently in the atmosphere (pre-industrial being about 280ppm and current CO2 being 410ppm

CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, despite being small in total composition of atmospheric gasses, is and always has been one of the main drivers of global climate

So what I said is right.

Thanks.

topper75

suicide_circus wrote: »

science dosnt have a 100% track record. alchemy was science at one stage.

It is ironic that a lot of the man-made climate stuff is preached as dogma.

Because the scientific method is the diametric opposite of dogma.

Science is about repeatable and predictable results. Climate 'science' has yet to deliver I'm afraid.

Cina

topper75 wrote: »

It is ironic that a lot of the man-made climate stuff is preached as dogma.

Because the scientific method is the diametric opposite of dogma.

Science is about repeatable and predictable results. Climate 'science' has yet to deliver I'm afraid.

What's not repeated and predictable about the temperature of the earth consistently increasing since the industrial age in accordance with our greenhouse emissions?

xckjoo

kneemos wrote: »

So what I said is right.

Thanks.

What you said was pointless if that's what you mean

kneemos

xckjoo wrote: »

What you said was pointless if that's what you mean

No it wasn't.

Akrasia

suicide_circus wrote: »

science dosnt have a 100% track record. alchemy was science at one stage.

Guess what, scientists can turn lead into gold. Nuclear Transmutation. Its just not economically viable to use it as a get rich quick scheme

Akrasia

topper75 wrote: »

It is ironic that a lot of the man-made climate stuff is preached as dogma.

Because the scientific method is the diametric opposite of dogma.

Science is about repeatable and predictable results. Climate 'science' has yet to deliver I'm afraid.

when climate scientists more than 70 years ago predicted that the planet would warm as CO2 concentrations increased, and the planet has warmed decade on decade, I'd call that a predictable result. What would you call it

Franz Von Peppercorn

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Gotta love the Internet. Always has an answer to a question nobody asked.

Did I say the majority don't believe in AGW? I'll save you the mental arithmetic and give you the answer. No I did not.

You probably did, although to be fair your sentence was possibly too convoluted and what exactly “it” was referring to was unclear.

SEPT 23 1989

Where's the new Ice Age I was threatened with as a school kid in the 80's?

jbkenn

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Where's the new Ice Age I was threatened with as a school kid in the 80's?

I think it was probably washed away by Acid Rain, remember that?, or it could have been UV'd out of existence by the Hole in the Ozone layer, who knows, doubtless some climate change guru, who will have to Google Acid rain and Ozone layer will be along to assure us we have only 12 years left
.

PokeHerKing

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

You probably did, although to be fair your sentence was possibly too convoluted and what exactly â€œitâ€ was referring to was unclear.

If your reading comprehension is that poor maybe stay off the Internet and stick to Ann and Barry books.

Akrasia

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Where's the new Ice Age I was threatened with as a school kid in the 80's?

Who threatened you with an ice age in the 80s??

Maybe don't listen to those people.

In the 1980s global warming was a firmly established science that had support of the overwhelming majority of experts in relevant fields (Even oil Companies in the 1980s knew that their products were causing climate change
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings)

Akrasia

jbkenn wrote: »

I think it was probably washed away by Acid Rain, remember that?, or it could have been UV'd out of existence by the Hole in the Ozone layer, who knows, doubtless some climate change guru, who will have to Google Acid rain and Ozone layer will be along to assure us we have only 12 years left
.

You probably think smallpox never existed.

OMM 0000

The climate change denialists annoy me.

They seem to have two arguments:

1. Climate is changing but it's natural.

2. It's just a money grab by people in the environmental / green energy industry.

(2) is probably true, but that doesn't mean it's not real.

(1) is disputed by nearly every scientist, so I think unless you're a scientist who really knows this topic, it seems a bit arrogant to override the entire scientific community.

But let's say the scientific community are wrong. They're often wrong about many things. But even if they are, doesn't it make sense we should do something to stop or slow down the extreme weather we're getting?

Even think about this:

Virtually every year now scientists are saying "hottest summer on record!".

What if this keeps happening every year...?

Will most of the world be unliveable in 20 years?

kneemos

OMM 0000 wrote: »

The climate change denialists annoy me.

They seem to have two arguments:

1. Climate is changing but it's natural.

2. It's just a money grab by people in the environmental / green energy industry.

(2) is probably true, but that doesn't mean it's not real.

(1) is disputed by nearly every scientist, so I think unless you're a scientist who really knows this topic, it seems a bit arrogant to override the entire scientific community.

But let's say the scientific community are wrong. They're often wrong about many things. But even if they are, doesn't it make sense we should do something to stop or slow down the extreme weather we're getting?

Even think about this:

Virtually every year now scientists are saying "hottest summer on record!".

What if this keeps happening every year...?

Will most of the world be unliveable in 20 years?

Thought it was accepted that cilmate change was natural,but we we're speeding up the process?

OMM 0000

kneemos wrote: »

Thought it was accepted that cilmate change was natural,but we we're speeding up the process?

They claim we are not speeding up the process, or if we are, it's insignificant.

Akrasia

kneemos wrote: »

Thought it was accepted that cilmate change was natural,but we we're speeding up the process?

Nope, the earth is currently in a naturally cooling phase. If it wasn't for us, we would be heading towards an ice age in about 20k years. We're fundamentally changing the composition of the atmosphere, which means we are changing the natural interglacial cycle. On the positive side, it means we probably won't see another ice age, on the downside, parts of southern Europe will turn into deserts and all the worlds coastal cities will be inundated by floods (amongst a hoard of other negative consequences)

kneemos

Akrasia wrote: »

Nope, the earth is currently in a naturally cooling phase. If it wasn't for us, we would be heading towards an ice age in about 20k years. We're fundamentally changing the composition of the atmosphere, which means we are changing the natural interglacial cycle. On the positive side, it means we probably won't see another ice age, on the downside, parts of southern Europe will turn into deserts and all the worlds coastal cities will be inundated by floods (amongst a hoard of other negative consequences)

Seems like a plan so. Don't want an ice age.

OMM 0000

Do any of you have any theories on how Ireland will be affected?

Akrasia

kneemos wrote: »

Seems like a plan so. Don't want an ice age.

So to keep your Great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandkids from getting a too cold, you're happy have global warming which will make yourself and your own children have to live in a 'Hothouse Earth'

There is a balance to be found between hothouse earth and an ice age. We happen to be in the middle of that goldilocks zone now

Franz Von Peppercorn

jbkenn wrote: »

I think it was probably washed away by Acid Rain, remember that?, or it could have been UV'd out of existence by the Hole in the Ozone layer, who knows, doubtless some climate change guru, who will have to Google Acid rain and Ozone layer will be along to assure us we have only 12 years left
.

Both of those existed and were fixed.

Atlantic Dawn

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Even think about this:

Virtually every year now scientists are saying "hottest summer on record!".

What if this keeps happening every year...?

Will most of the world be unliveable in 20 years?

But the hottest day on record in Ireland was over 130 years ago at 33.3 °C at Kilkenny Castle, on 26 June 1887, the coldest ever day was -19.1 °C at Markree Castle on 16 January 1881, there wasn't a single car in the country then.

Harry Palmr

klaaaz wrote: »

Why will this just affect us on this small island, why not the whole of northern Europe?

Well it'll effect the north west section of Europe most as we get the direct beneficial impact of the warm water stream - UK/Ireland/Norway/Faroes/Iceland yes Iceland as well. The actual flow of water is quite well defined in a stream that pulls more north than east so even France and the Low Counties get little direct effect from it - which is why it can be "Baltic" just across the channel.

Akrasia

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Do any of you have any theories on how Ireland will be affected?

According to Met Eireann, it will be on average warmer in Ireland than it is today. More frequent droughts (between 12 and 40% increases) in the summer and more extreme precipitation events in the winter (20% increase)

All of our coastal cities will be impacted by rising sea levels. There will be a decrease in the number of storms, but an increase in the number of extreme storm events.
https://www.met.ie/climate/climate-change#collapsehowwillclimatechangeaffectireland

Akrasia

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

But the hottest day on record in Ireland was over 130 years ago at 33.3 °C at Kilkenny Castle, on 26 June 1887, the coldest ever day was -19.1 °C at Markree Castle on 16 January 1881, there wasn't a single car in the country then.

Nobody is saying that extreme weather didn't happen in the past. What climate change does is make it so that the rare events of the past become common events, and the extreme events become the rare events, and events so extreme that they would have been impossible in the old climate, become the new extreme

It's a shifting of the bell curve

Harry Palmr

Some people just have such a simplistic understanding it's hard to spend the time needed - flat earthers for the 21st century.

Akrasia

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Some people just have such a simplistic understanding it's hard to spend the time needed - flat earthers for the 21st century.

Wierdly, Flat earthers are the flat earthers of the 21st century

There are some people out there with their critical thinking skills completely cross wired. They think believing the opposite of what experts believe is the same as being skeptical.