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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

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Mad_maxx

tayto lover wrote: »

I’ve heard it said that Travellers don’t want their children receiving a full education because an educated Travellers might turn their back on their culture.
Their daughters are usually married by 16 too. Hardly going to do a Leaving Cert exam then. They still insist on arranged marriages in many instances too. Women are held back and forbidden to mix with settled girls. I’ve seen a lot of this myself.

Backward culture.

Doesn't matter how backward, homophobic, mysogonist etc, your culture is, if you are an official minority, the left will defend what you do

Henry Ford III

This is a truly amazing thread.

It just shows how much of an impact travellers have on the community despite their relatively small size as a percentage of the population.

Unfortunately much of that impact is negative, and people quite understandably feel quite upset about it.

There's also an overwhelmingly negative sentiment towards Margaret Cash and others who choose to sponge off society (the rest of us).

It has to be acknowledged that despite all this not all Travellers are bad eggs. It seems that quite a few are however, that they cause a lot of friction, crime and upset wherever they go, and that the good ones don't bother to reign in the bad.

I suspect the thread will go on and on..........unless Peter Casey wins an election of course.

marieholmfan

normanoffside wrote: »

This is almost certainly him.
It says on his Facebook Bio that he repairs PCs

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/computer-repair-man-had-a-stolen-laptop-27585323.html

Fine was excessive. 3.3% of stock was stolen.

Deebles McBeebles

What age was the child who wrote the bio?

Effects

He might be trying to move on from past criminality. Can't blame him for that.

normanoffside

This is almost certainly him.
It says on his Facebook Bio that he repairs PCs

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/computer-repair-man-had-a-stolen-laptop-27585323.html

normanoffside

Dante7 wrote: »

Just ask him about Traveller education. Education is key. He has benefited from education and is one of the travellers who is not involved in criminality or feuding. If all Travellers achieved at least leaving cert education most problems disappear.

Not sure about that, while I am not 100% certain, this very much sounds like him.

Can anyone see behind the paywall?

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/338303/longford-district-court-cashed-cheque-but-it-bounced.html

tayto lover

Dante7 wrote: »

Just ask him about Traveller education. Education is key. He has benefited from education and is one of the travellers who is not involved in criminality or feuding. If all Travellers achieved at least leaving cert education most problems disappear.

I’ve heard it said that Travellers don’t want their children receiving a full education because an educated Travellers might turn their back on their culture.
Their daughters are usually married by 16 too. Hardly going to do a Leaving Cert exam then. They still insist on arranged marriages in many instances too. Women are held back and forbidden to mix with settled girls. I’ve seen a lot of this myself.

Backward culture.

BattleCorp

Dante7 wrote: »

Just ask him about Traveller education. Education is key. He has benefited from education and is one of the travellers who is not involved in criminality or feuding. If all Travellers achieved at least leaving cert education most problems disappear.

I'm not fcukin sure about that? Have you seen some of his posts. :eek::eek::eek::eek:

BattleCorp

normanoffside wrote: »

1. He's a victim mentality Traveller who thinks the world is against him. he seems to hate all settled people.

2. He stands up for traveller rights but most travellers hate him because of his liberal views on abortion and gay marriage.

3. He talks Sh1te all the time and says that Maggie Cash is the Irish equivalent to Rosa Parks. He seems infatuated with her and is possibly riding her.

4. Despite his self professed incredible intelligence, he is on the scratcher and constantly begging for money for his media projects/books. He doesn't get any money because of point 2.

If he's so busy with media projects/books etc. does that mean that he's not available for work, one of the requirements of being on the scratcher. :eek::eek::eek:

Dante7

tayto lover wrote: »

I’ll listen to him when he talks about Travellers crime and it’s affect on victims.

Just ask him about Traveller education. Education is key. He has benefited from education and is one of the travellers who is not involved in criminality or feuding. If all Travellers achieved at least leaving cert education most problems disappear.

tayto lover

freshpopcorn wrote: »

He's a traveller.
He's ran in the general election.
He has very liberal views regarding gay rights and abortion
He campaigns for traveller rights and has a YouTube channel discussing thing with people.(I think it's mainly aimed at traveller.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007227857780&ref=content_filter

I’ll listen to him when he talks about Travellers crime and it’s affect on victims.

normanoffside

punisher5112 wrote: »

I would pay him to go fcuk off.

Yeah when he said that the settled people in Ireland nowadays are no different to the English in Ireland during the penal law/famine days he kinda lost any respect I had for him.

punisher5112

normanoffside wrote: »

1. He's a victim mentality Traveller who thinks the world is against him. he seems to hate all settled people.

2. He stands up for traveller rights but most travellers hate him because of his liberal views on abortion and gay marriage.

3. He talks Sh1te all the time and says that Maggie Cash is the Irish equivalent to Rosa Parks. He seems infatuated with her and is possibly riding her.

4. Despite his self professed incredible intelligence, he is on the scratcher and constantly begging for money for his media projects/books. He doesn't get any money because of point 2.

I would pay him to go fcuk off.

normanoffside

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Who is this Bernard that you're taking such a keen interest in?

1. He's a victim mentality Traveller who thinks the world is against him. he seems to hate all settled people.

2. He stands up for traveller rights but most travellers hate him because of his liberal views on abortion and gay marriage.

3. He talks Sh1te all the time and says that Maggie Cash is the Irish equivalent to Rosa Parks. He seems infatuated with her and is possibly riding her.

4. Despite his self professed incredible intelligence, he is on the scratcher and constantly begging for money for his media projects/books. He doesn't get any money because of point 2.

Spanish Eyes

There was a segment on RTE1 at one o'clock about Travellers.

I just refused to listen. No one seems to realise that this small element of our society has caused mayhem to those who actually pay for their lifestyles.

For the record I am talking about the majority of them. There are some who are possibly ok. But they do not seem to berate their tribe either. Fear of reprisals maybe?

freshpopcorn

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Who is this Bernard that you're taking such a keen interest in?

He's a traveller.
He's ran in the general election.
He has very liberal views regarding gay rights and abortion
He campaigns for traveller rights and has a YouTube channel discussing thing with people.(I think it's mainly aimed at traveller.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007227857780&ref=content_filter

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Who is this Bernard that you're taking such a keen interest in?

tuxy

I see Bernard is writing a book called......Travision!
Lets hope he can raise the €500 he needs.

So he has had two go fund me's that have failed for the podcast/TV show
And now he is trying again but in book format.

Dante7

Andy Lee is not typical Irish Traveller. He is more from the English gypsy culture which is a bit different. They haven't been given the handouts to the same extent as Irish Travellers. Good lad Andy. I've plenty of time for him.

punisher5112

Omackeral wrote: »

So far Travellers have been compared to African Americans, The Amish, Maori and Aboriginal people. Just waiting for Hasidic Jews, Inuit Eskimos and Buddhist Monks now...

Don't forget saints and angles too.... Yes angles any degree you can think of.

[Deleted User]

So far Travellers have been compared to African Americans, The Amish, Maori and Aboriginal people. Just waiting for Hasidic Jews, Inuit Eskimos and Buddhist Monks now...

Icsics

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there pressure within traveller families to keep their kids away from education?

This is one of the major things which could change their lot in life. Surely some parents out there really want their kids to get an education and better themselves? There must be some.

It depends on how strong the mother is. You get the odd one with a bit of cop on & they fight to keep their children in school. But more often than not the father calls the shots & 'heritage' wins out.

Wanderer78

babi-hrse wrote:

I had a traveller lad in my primary school he was a quiet enough lad in 6 class principals from different schools came round to talk about their school and why we should go there and handed out flyers. This was every other day a different principal a different school. The class had pretty much been split on 2 schools so these were pretty much pointless one principal came in from a school I can't remember and asked for a show of hands who is thinking about coming. No one put their hand up the traveller lad in front of me looked around slowly then raised his hand slowly. It only dawned on me later in life that he was having a tough time dealing with the question of which school you going to as his parents had no intention of sending him to any. This was his way to escape the questions when he saw that noone was going he could lie and say he was going there and noone would notice him not showing up. I saw him in years later on swimming in a river while I was in it during the summer everyone I was with shied away and walked i had literally just gotten in so I just decided to stay put and we had a conversation he was actually genuinely a nice lad.

A lot of shame in the travelling community over continuing education, it's hard to know how to approach it, you will find the odd approachable one as well

babi-hrse

I had a traveller lad in my primary school he was a quiet enough lad in 6 class principals from different schools came round to talk about their school and why we should go there and handed out flyers.
This was every other day a different principal a different school.
The class had pretty much been split on 2 schools so these were pretty much pointless one principal came in from a school I can't remember and asked for a show of hands who is thinking about coming. No one put their hand up the traveller lad in front of me looked around slowly then raised his hand slowly.
It only dawned on me later in life that he was having a tough time dealing with the question of which school you going to as his parents had no intention of sending him to any.
This was his way to escape the questions when he saw that noone was going he could lie and say he was going there and noone would notice him not showing up.
I saw him in years later on swimming in a river while I was in it during the summer everyone I was with shied away and walked i had literally just gotten in so I just decided to stay put and we had a conversation he was actually genuinely a nice lad.

BattleCorp

normanoffside wrote: »

I met him about 5 years later, he was having his wedding party at the local hotel on his 16th birthday.

Were they handing these out on the way in.

corks finest

Paddy Cow wrote: »

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Wrong question, with respect. Your question is a bit like asking 'are poor people poor because of circumstances, or because they are stupid?'. Neither answer is correct. A better question might be, 'are traveller children achieving optimal educational and life-expectation outcomes in their current living conditions?'. The answer to that is an unambiguous No, and it's all to do with upbringing.

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Absolutely. If you are brought up to believe that working 40 hours a week is a mugs game and there is an easier option of filling out a few forms and getting the weak settled folk to subsidise your existence based on your "culture", why would the kids think any differently?

Adult travellers are the problem. They take the young ones out of school between the ages of 12-15 because they don't want them mixing with settled kids. God forbid a traveller girl would get into a relationship with a settled male and want a life for herself outside the confines of being a baby factory. God forbid that traveller kids would realise that education means that you can actually have a career that gives you fulfilment. Not all jobs are minimum wage but you have to get educated to get them. My brother is a programmer and he is the stereotypical nerd. He LOVES his job and bores the rest of us to tears with his "exciting" stories.

They could become doctors, firefighters, paramedics etc if only they stayed in school. They are not pushed out of school by settled people. The government spends loads of money trying to keep them there but the adults won't have it. They want to keep them isolated and uneducated because an uneducated teen is far more compliant than a mid 20's adult with a university education and options.

You are living in la la land. 60 years ago many people have stories about letting Travellers stay on their land and the Travellers did farm work etc. Those days of Travellers being Travellers and self sufficient are long gone. Nowadays most "Travellers" live in houses provided by the state taxpayer and are subsidised by social welfare/medical cards, also provided by the state taxpayer.

Your comparison with the poor also doesn't hold weight. As has been quoted many times on this thread, Margaret Cash herself said "I'm not poor, I'm homeless. I'm on benefits just like everyone else". They have money, they just spend it stupidly on gaudy furniture and expensive communion outfits. God forbid they'd spend it on their kids education or giving them a healthy diet.

Welfare is their "income" to spend how they see fit but don't be saying that they are discriminated against. They are adults who have the same choices as everyone else. They make poor choices and foist those same choices on their children by depriving them of an education and a fair shot at life. The cycle rinses and repeats.

I have a serious question for you. What do you think is the future for Margaret's daughter? Do you think she will finish secondary school and go onto university or will she be taken out of school before finishing the Junior Cert and married off to someone? If she is married off, is that because of settled discrimination? That child is only 9 years old. Right now she is an innocent child with the world at her feet but what future should she have and who gets to decide it? Should she be married off in her teens or should she get educated and decide for herself in her 20's?

Please answer those questions. You have very strong views on how Travellers have it so hard but show little to no insight into how Travellers themselves can overcome these issues. Tell us what we can/should do to change the trajectory of Margaret's daughter's life, or do you think we should just leave her be and let Traveller culture takes it's course? I honestly want to know what you think. Should that 9 year old finish education or become a product of Traveller upbringing?

Some v good points there boy

freshpopcorn

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there pressure within traveller families to keep their kids away from education?

This is one of the major things which could change their lot in life. Surely some parents out there really want their kids to get an education and better themselves? There must be some.

Just based on what I know or people I know.
Travellers seem to be attending primary education a lot more. This may because of extra support financially and also the extra resources.
These are also in place in secondary school but for some reason there is a disconnect.
This have improved tough.
But it seems to be because in there culture/group they marry younger/start families and sometimes they traveller around. I have also heard travelers say they don't feel comfortable mixing there settled teenage children around homosexuality, contraception, drugs,etc because these are against there religious beliefs.

normanoffside

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there pressure within traveller families to keep their kids away from education?

This is one of the major things which could change their lot in life. Surely some parents out there really want their kids to get an education and better themselves? There must be some.

There absolutely is. When I was in primary school (in the 80’s) I had a few travelller boys in my class. Some of them were quite bright and well liked but they were often absent.
One particular lad passed the 11+ and got a place in the grammar school (Northern Ireland) but he rejected the the place and went to the local intermediate school. He was one of the brightest kids in the class but his family didn’t want him mixing with people who wanted to go to university.

I met him about 5 years later, he was having his wedding party at the local hotel on his 16th birthday.

NIMAN

Is there pressure within traveller families to keep their kids away from education?

This is one of the major things which could change their lot in life. Surely some parents out there really want their kids to get an education and better themselves? There must be some.