BBDBB wrote: » Trains called the Gatwick Express go into London Victoria every 15 minutes, journey takes about half an hour
dregin wrote: » haha yeah, sorry. Hit the wrong button. The airport isn't really what concerns me. Getting form there to NW10 is where my confusion lies. Car rental, taxi, public transport?
Synode wrote: » Where's this news that the green line upgrade is being cancelled coming from? Heard Shane Ross in the Dail on the news and all he said was he wouldn't countenance the green line being closed for 4 years. Which it never would have been. Cancelling it would be really really stupid. They can't be that thick can they
troyzer wrote: » I'm a bit ignorant to all of this. My part of Dublin isn't in South Dublin so naturally I don't get any decent public transport. But it does seem absolutely bananas to me that you'd tear up a track that cost nearly €1bn.
Buer wrote: » *tears hair out* They weren't. But that's what the campaign would readily have you believe. I'm not being smart but the fact that you thought they'd be tearing it up shows just how successful they've been in planting lies in people's minds. We'll be revisiting this project in 15 years and whinging that we didn't do it 15 years ago. The plan for Luas Green upon design was always to be upgraded to Metro in the longer term at some point. Now it has hit full capacity, it's needed badly. The Luas is becoming unviable for some people at peak hours. The biggest single lie of the whole thing is that the Green line will be closed. It will not. It will be disrupted, perhaps heavily. Perhaps sections will be unavailable at periods. But it was never proposed that it would be closed for the duration of the works. The misinformation and downright lying by the likes of Shane Ross, Jim O'Callaghan etc. on this topic has been completely shameful and they're a f*cking disgrace to call themselves public servants.
troyzer wrote: » Surely you can't put a metro on tram tracks though? Thus tearing up the tram tracks and laying a metro. In any case, it's hard to really give a **** about upgrading a Luas track somewhere else when my area is stuck with buses that are rammed after two stops.
dregin wrote: » Why not? I'm no expert on the matter, but if the gauge's match and track originally built to withstand slightly more weight than a LUAS, I don't see why it'd be a problem. Electric trains are nowhere near as heavy as their diesel-driven counterparts.
Buer wrote: » The biggest single lie of the whole thing is that the Green line will be closed. It will not. It will be disrupted, perhaps heavily. Perhaps sections will be unavailable at periods. But it was never proposed that it would be closed for the duration of the works. The misinformation and downright lying by the likes of Shane Ross, Jim O'Callaghan etc. on this topic has been completely shameful and they're a f*cking disgrace to call themselves public servants.
Podge_irl wrote: » Eamon Ryan - The "Green" Party :rolleyes:
troyzer wrote: » I recently complained to Eamon Ryan for inviting an anti gold mine group from the North to speak to the Dáil. I work in the industry and it vexed me to find that there was political support for NIMBYs. I asked him was he aware that the same group also fight wind farms. Never got an answer. I left the Green Party years ago and it's validated every day. Having said that, he's still better than most.
Zzippy wrote: » Perhaps this is a mirror of your ignorance about the metro upgrade, but I've heard some pretty bad things about gold mining in terms of its effect on water quality, chemicals used in extraction etc. It's certainly not an environmentally friendly industry anyway. Why would the Green Party be in favour of it?
dregin wrote: » How's it with a baby? I've done London countless times myself, but this will be a first with kid on board.
troyzer wrote: » Gold mining is not something I'm ignorant about. Like I said, it's one of the industries I work in.
Podge_irl wrote: » He is suggesting he is potentially ignorant, not you I imagine no mining is completely environmentally friendly. But then almost nothing is in complete isolation and it needs a measured approach.
thomond2006 wrote: » For London, fly to London City Airport. It can be expensive but if it's only €20 or so more expensive it's worth it. You're off the plane and into a DLR train out of there really quickly. If flying at the weekend the planes can very quiet, I had two seats to myself on a BA flight on a Sunday.
troyzer wrote: » Ah yes, apologies. Well, as the saying goes "If you can't grow it, you have to mine it". Mining CAN be incredibly unenvironmentally friendly. But this is often in developing countries where laws are lax. It often isn't the case in developed countries with strong laws. The paradox of course being that developed countries with strong laws are much more likely to defeat the construction of a mine because of how many NIMBYs there are. If it was all about environmental concerns, we should be welcoming mines.
irishbucsfan wrote: » Yeah, entirely depends where you’re ending up. If you’re going central then LHR -> Paddington is just as easy.
Zzippy wrote: » Yes, I was referring to my own ignorance. I am aware of the environmental implications of lots of developments, and find the NIMBY tag a lazy and dismissive attitude - many people have legitimate concerns about their environment, many companies would like to ignore the environment to make money. There is a happy medium somewhere, but just dismissing objectors as NIMBYs is a tactic of industry to de-legitimise legitimate concerns. Our current government have demonstrated a disregard and disdain for the environment that borders on criminal, and are fond of the NIMBY tactic too. In my own experience (fighting a government agency trying to put a mega salmon farm in Galway Bay), using the NIMBY tactic is just another form of "attacking the poster, not the post" - usually the people using it cannot debate the topic or defend their operation so resort to smears and innuendos about the motives of their detractors.
stephen_n wrote: » What is the environmental downside to the Salmon farm, out of curiosity?
