prawnsambo wrote: » I'm struggling to find the relevance here.
Havockk wrote: » The alternative of potentially decade long Tory dominance? I'll have to disagree with you on that point OB.
oscarBravo wrote: » That's the problem with catastrophically poor leadership: there are no good options. These seven - and the rest of their colleagues - were faced with a decision: either keep supporting probably the worst leadership in the history of the party for the sake of trying to avoid fragmentation, or continue to lend tacit support to a combination of what they perceived to be systemic anti-semitism and a ball-achingly incompetent approach to Brexit. You can criticise the choice they made, but the alternative isn't exactly a no-brainer.
Havockk wrote: » Ah no, splitting the opposition during a constitutional crisis? Sorry but thats a mad old move to be fair. If the tories don't splinter now what do you think is going to happen?
prawnsambo wrote: » Well here's the link to it in The Guardian.
prawnsambo wrote: » I'm not sure how such a survey is going to produce valid results. Does it not require people to openly admit to anti-semitism?
The qeustion asked of Jewish people is far more relevant and accurate I would suspect. As others have observed, people who are the brunt of any kind of othering are far more aware of it than those who either do it casually or in ignorance.
oscarBravo wrote: » This. I thought Marina Hyde summed it up quite pithily last week: It's not at all surprising that seven Labour MPs have decided to jump ship - what's surprising that more haven't, and sooner (even allowing for the electoral travesty that is FPTP).
Enzokk wrote: » I know you are referencing a response on Twitter, but what votes is so offensive of hers in the HoC? It would be great if there is a list of them to see if she is actively pursuing a policy that is not shared by the Labour party and her votes are reflecting this. If not, well then all you are left with is that she is liked by Blair and she is Jewish and neither of those are reasons for the abuse she has suffered.
listermint wrote: » Corbyn and his merry band of ultra left have been the single worst opposition party in british living history. 2+ years of Tories making mistake after mistake, month on month, week on week and sometimes the same day. And corbyn and his group were utterly useless.
And yet, the Tories continue to poll ahead of Labour. It’s always encouraging to hear Corbyn boosters honk about how much they’d expect him to put on in a campaign situation. The slightly incredulous response has to be: um, yes?! I should hope so?! I mean, you would hope that anyone might improve on losing to a party that is essentially a gif of someone lighting their own fart and then being consumed by the fireball. Against that sort of competition, you would expect to be able to run one of the more divisive Sesame Street Muppets – ie Elmo – and put on a few points. It’s hardly a kitemark.
Hurrache wrote: » Not sure, I only saw it last week but I don't think it was at the NEC, but not 100%.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » The U.K. government is supported by the DUP. Voters for the DUP march every year burning the flag of this country and many others. They also demand that all taigs be killed. This gets very little coverage or concern.
prawnsambo wrote: » It's not the Peter Willsman comments at a NEC meeting is it? That was about six months ago.
prawnsambo wrote: » I'm not sure how such a survey is going to produce valid results. Does it not require people to openly admit to anti-semitism? The qeustion asked of Jewish people is far more relevant and accurate I would suspect. As others have observed, people who are the brunt of any kind of othering are far more aware of it than those who either do it casually or in ignorance.
Hurrache wrote: » You're really determined to insist it's all fake aren't you? I'm not at your beck and call, if I come across them when I'm doing something else I'll post it. I've better things to be doing than chasing stuff down to proof someone on the internet wrong.
Havockk wrote: » It's bizarre that none of these 7 who are so concerned about AS criticised teh defilement of Marx's grave, which has now been desecrated twice in as many weeks. Was he not Jewish?
Hurrache wrote: » There's a video there, there's a video posted from parliament of an MP talking about what happened personally to her.
Berserker wrote: » There is and was substance behind the claims of anti-Semitism and the failure of the party and it's supporters to address these issues, coupled with Corbyn's appalling leadership has resulted in the breakup of the party.
jm08 wrote: » YouGov did a survey on anti-semitism and it showed that Labour Party supporters were the least anti-semitic of all the parties.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » If you make a claim, the onus is on you to back it up if asked. No more of this nonsense please.
Bambi wrote: » Accusations are not usually considered evidence, well except for in Witch Hunts Any luck with those recordings?
Imreoir2 wrote: » While I am inclined to agree with you, and I think it would be absurd to claim that there is no anti-semitisim in the Labour party, one wonders just how much of an issue it really is? It is clear that Labour and it's leadership are not openly anti-semitic and are certainly not persuing clearly anti-semitic policies. It seems to come back to an issue of culture and the opinions of some members.
MrMusician18 wrote: » The guardian wants rid of Corbyn and wants a blairite in. The story is being pushed relentlessly by those that hate Corbyn and all he stands for on the right, and the centre left. The real issue is that the UK establishment fear a Corbyn government even more than Brexit. I don't particularly like Corbyn just to note, but all this anti semitism stuff appears after the centre left lost the party and will just vanish again the day a centrist gets back in the leadership. Which would be strange, considering it's seemingly an institutional problem for Labour.
jm08 wrote: » One of the posts on that twitter feed you posted says that the resentment towards Luciana Berger was because as a friend of Euan Blair, she was parachuted into a safe labour seat by Tony Blair. Many also have questions about her voting record in the HoC.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Corbyn is useless and needs to go imo, because he's such an ineffective leader of the opposition. No one is challenging him because they know he'll win the vote of the members, even if they are remainers. That's why they're trying to force him to resign. The AS stuff is just a lever the centerists are using to pry him from the leadership since nothing else seems to be sticking. That's because the party themselves are split on Brexit and it's doubtful any leader would be able to unite Labour when so many MPs come from leave constituencies.
listermint wrote: » Lets park the AS stuff to the side for a second. Corbyn and his merry band of ultra left have been the single worst opposition party in british living history. 2+ years of Tories making mistake after mistake, month on month, week on week and sometimes the same day. And corbyn and his group were utterly useless. At the Labour Party conference the got the motions to push for second referendum but he left it off speech after speech and correspondence on purpose. The Majority of Labour voters are remainers according to all polls conducted. So in short this had to happen, and its not this blairite crap that gets bandied around. Its basically something the Labour voters are asking for. Corbyn is useless his leading Labour leaders are useless and they are actively subverting their own parties democratic will.
MrMusician18 wrote: » The labour anti semitism was a load of nonsense it was part of a strategy by the labour blairites to lever under Corbyn to get him out.
listermint wrote: » Lets park the AS stuff to the side for a second. Corbyn and his merry band of ultra left have been the single worst opposition party in british living history.
