Flyingsnowball wrote: » At what point will a large number of people say ah feck this and check out of life as we know it
Flyingsnowball wrote: » I’m reading through this forum and I’m seeing a serious lack of understanding in why there is a growing number of people who have checked out of society and could not give a flying fluck what any of you think really. Say Margaret Cash or the dishonest people screwing the claim system or people out begging or stealing from shops or just sitting at home on the dole. These people have no interest in society because society had no interest in them until it was too late. Children are being dragged up by parents all over the country. These parents were probably dragged up or have mental issues or addiction problems or god knows what. Why would a child who has grown through that suddenly hit working age and then decide modern society is great and they have to toe the line to keep things civilized. Why wouldn’t they favor disorder over order. At least during disorder they have a chance of getting ahead. What other option is there for the son of a traveller? A job in tesco? A token acting job on a few rte dramas? Society is an opt in thing and with all the waste in the public service why would these outsiders think society is a good thing to buy into. This whole set up only works if the majority people get something out of it and what seems to be happening is less and less people are doing well out of society and more people are suffering. My dad was a manaul worker and could buy a house. His father was a plasterer and he had a house in a nice area. I’m a plumber and through some lucky breaks managed to buy a house but lads I work with are really struggling to pay rent and tread water. At what point will a large number of people say ah feck this and check out of life as we know it and start trying to just take what they want?
Dakotabigone wrote: » <parrot squawk>
scamalert wrote: » so OP your saying someone who works in retail are losers and then some low lives have a right to abuse system on those people who try to make a living basically. I see the point in hating general system and those at the top but your answer sure lets fck up people that are vulnerable, and try to make ends meet by stealing from those who have 0 and f all to do with your issue, and then conveniently blame it on society to say its because they dont have other choice.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » instead of just stealing from rich old people in posh areas? There was nobody helping them learn right and wrong when their parents were coming home and drunk and giving them ptsd the only workers they interacted with were probably bailiffs.
scamalert wrote: » hope your van gets stolen one day or maybe when your old someone breaks into your house, you sound like total scumbag.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Jonestown was one.
dxhound2005 wrote: » It's all one big swirling toilet.
10fathoms wrote: » Thinly veiled "I have a house" thread
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » If you're talking locally, I think Ireland is far too apathetic for something like that. Beyond that, I'm curious to know what you've read to make you think like that. Yes, there are a few extreme viewpoints, but most are based on a degree if ignorance. If what your talking about is the traditional (if somewhat innacurate) anarchist faction, and that will never get the support it needs that frightens the **** out of most people. The system might not work, but it does provide some element of security - and security is more important than a working system.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » What I’ve read? What I’ve read? I eat lunch some days in a container with labourers some from Estonia and some from jobstown. They don’t give a fiddlers anymore. Engineers are near begging them to work for fear of getting put in the boot of a car and stuck on top of some Darndale bonfire. It’s only the people who have something to hold onto that need society and that number is lessening everyday.
dav3 wrote: » Would you say it's time to crack each other's head open and feast on the goo inside?
Flyingsnowball wrote: » At what point will a large number of people say ah feck this and check out of life as we know it and start trying to just take what they want?
Tiguan Joe wrote: » Whenever the illuminati stop putting fluoride in the water.
emo72 wrote: » You need people to invest in society. At the foundation of the state politicians and the Catholic church encouraged people to buy houses thereby investing in society. It worked, if you own a house you have something you can lose. If people can no longer afford to buy, or more accurately get a mortgage, then why give a flying feck. The op makes a very valid point, this is going to be a problem going forward. I could afford to buy a house on a shopkeepers wage in the 90s, that's not possible now. You need a much bigger education and wage to aspire to the same level. When **** goes down, don't say "I didn't see that coming". Because it's kind of obvious.
ArchXStanton wrote: » You make a very good point and something myself and a few friends are experiencing, we just pick up throw away jobs and go travelling when we've saved up a bit of money, we'll never own a house or even afford rent, so there's no incentive there to be slaving away.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » You're opening post started with the line, "I'm reading through this forum and...", so where the Estonian labourers come into this I don't know. I agree with you on the last line, but security IS something people have to hold onto. Both the physcial element - in the form of an asset or income - or the idea of societal security. Order is as important to people as their base.
JupiterKid wrote: » I see where you're coming from OP even if you articulate your ooint in a roundabout way and base it on very anecdotal evidence (your younger work colleagues). What's happening is thay we have reached a point where many key aspects of the Western capitalist economy - that of a secure future in a given career, improving standard of living and hone owbership - are going into reverse or going seriously askew. For those on the losing side, there may well be the attitude of nothing keft to lose but to drop out of "society" etc. The "squeezed middle" that are being pushed from the "professoinal" class above and the "welfare" class below. Established political partiy systems that don't (or won't) recognise this very important trend so fingwe pointing goes mad and we have a rise of the far right wing, Brexit and Trump. My sociology lecturer in college in the 1990s predicted all this. Rinse and repeat... We live in interesting times.
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