political analyst wrote: » As I've asked in another thread here a few days ago, is there really no alternative to a "one size fits all" public-sector pay agreement? What is good enough for a civil servant isn't necessarily good enough for a nurse because of the nature of the work. If junior civil servants were asked if emergency services workers' pay should be considered a special case, they'd probably say Yes and then they could tell the leadership of their union that they don't want to make a pay claim to compete.
Goldengirl wrote: » How much does a newly qualified basic new entrant pharmacist make? And one with one masters and more experience , say 10 years? You sound like a senior pharmacist, so you are not comparing like for like. And fo you get an extra payment for your two masters? I know nurses who have teo masters, make clinical decisions every day and save resources, and don't get paid that much, but it would be interesting to see how much more you get...
Goldengirl wrote: » I know nurses who have two masters, make clinical decisions every day and save resources, and don't get paid that much, but it would be interesting to see how much more you get...
Tell me how wrote: » How many are leaving because they are overworked and stressed, or how many are leaving because they are young, have a qualification which means that they can travel abroad for life experiences while earning? I'm sure there are some of the former but I also expect that there are many of the latter.
Twenty Grand wrote: » What does it matter though? Either way nurses the Irish government spent thousands training are leaving the country for better wages, better conditions and better experiences. Most will probably come back, but that's 5 or so years that the nurses you've trained are off elsewhere. That 70% of grads consider moving abroad figure is astounding. Is there any hospital in the country that's adequately staffed? Is there many other professions where job vacancies across the board are left unfilled for months and years?
1641 wrote: » So if the average pay for a nurse in the HSE (after allowances, premium pay and overtime) is €57000, who is getting the higher salaries to bring the average up to this level?
Tell me how wrote: » Yes it does mean that if they are successful then all nurses in management roles will also get the payrise. That is why the figure of 57k is relevant. If it was just at an active on ward level, I would be in favour of their request, but it isn't.
Tell me how wrote: » I would have thought it is fairly obvious why it matters. If they are leaving for reasons other than money then there is no point paying them more money hoping they will stay.
speedboatchase wrote: » Give her lots of money! She is now suddenly better at her job and deserves more money!
Goldengirl wrote: » No nurse gets paid this money , as I have told you repeatedly , unless she is top of the scale working as a senior nurse running everything and with a lot of headache and responsibility, and working weekends and nights, which she should be getting paid for anyway. 57 k is the salary of a nurse manager.
Tell me how wrote: » Then I will support the claim for a ward nurse increase.
Always Tired wrote: » if you weren't so ignorant on this issue you would know it's pay restoration they seek, and it's less than what the FG government gave themselves since coming into office she's been a nurse for almost 10 years and is nowhere near this farcical 57 k average, and is in a Dublin hospital
Twenty Grand wrote: » Is there many other professions where job vacancies across the board are left unfilled for months and years?
Graces7 wrote: » magentis wrote: » Love these threads.I can just picture some of the posters here left in a situation where they have to clean up someone that has defecated themselves. " Mothers do this all the time without pay and carers do it all the time with little financial reward. Time was nursing was about more than higher pay. Bad mother and carer who wouldn't do this, but is your point that nursing used to be a "vocation" , and they should kneel down and thank God for the chance to show they care, and not be looking for more money, or better patient / nursing ratios ? By the way, carers aren't paid enough either. People would be queuing on the double in A&E if it weren't for them.
magentis wrote: » Love these threads.I can just picture some of the posters here left in a situation where they have to clean up someone that has defecated themselves. " Mothers do this all the time without pay and carers do it all the time with little financial reward. Time was nursing was about more than higher pay.
Samuel Vimes wrote: » Graces7 wrote: » And Nurses dont do it at all, Health Care Assistants do-the real underpaid unsung heroes of the Hospitals! Not true , about nurses , that is. No problem with health care assistants, but where I work they can't do anything eith a patient unless a nurse was with them .
Graces7 wrote: » And Nurses dont do it at all, Health Care Assistants do-the real underpaid unsung heroes of the Hospitals!
Guy:Incognito wrote: » They should let them know the pay rates before they sign up to stop them becoming nurses and then not agreeing with the pay..........
EdgeCase wrote: The conditions and staffing levels seem to be more of a problem than anything else from what I've seen and heard of hospitals.
Miike wrote: All that nurses are asking to be paid the same as other healthcare professionals who work less hours and have 20% of the caseload of a nurse. Also other allied healthcare professionals aren't required to do specialist post grads or MSc's to have any opportunity to move up or even laterally with their career. Nurses would have around 7ish years done in University to get the same rate of a pay as a 3 year degree OT graduate.
gctest50 wrote: » Sounds like they were looking for a few days off They gave the patient the wrong drink ? there's a lot missing out of that story We've all seen what they're like :
Goldengirl wrote: » Samuel Vimes wrote: » Not true , about nurses , that is. No problem with health care assistants, but where I work they can't do anything eith a patient unless a nurse was with them . And if the Health Care Assistant does something wrong the nurse is to blame.Crazy.
Samuel Vimes wrote: » Not true , about nurses , that is. No problem with health care assistants, but where I work they can't do anything eith a patient unless a nurse was with them .
road_high wrote: » Country can’t afford this- simple as. Couldn’t be worse timing really with such uncertainty in the economy right now
Martina1991 wrote: » Talking to a friend of mine today, she said she doesnt mind the pay because she gets paid more for doing nights and weekends and has more time off. Its the understaffing thats the problem. But you kind of need to increase pay to entice people to stay rather than emmigrate. Not true. I need to have my masters to gain promotion even though there is little opportunity to do so. I had to pay for it myself, unlike some further nursing qualifications that are paid for.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Why would you think nurses are not comparable to physios ? Physiotherapist do fantastic work and are well educated and trained . A nurse would not be trained or able to do physio Nurses are also well educated and trained and do work that physios are not trained to do . Nurses give IV,s .Give drugs , care for ventilated patients . Care for high dependent new born and prem babies with multiple needs and drips and lines . I see the two jobs as comparable actually and one complimenting the other . I find it odd you would compare a nurse to an accounts assistant and a physio to the financial controller ? Maybe you have never experienced a paediatric intensive care and the amount of knowledge and skill a nurse needs to keep those patients alive .
Goldengirl wrote: » And the nurse looking after that baby or child will have at least two qualifications ,and paeds or neonatal intensive care course to boot, but hey they're only nurses, right?!
Flyingsnowball wrote: » Where did she get the time or money to get these degrees if she is so overworked and underpaid?
road_high wrote: » There’s simply no comparison. Nursing is more of a generic qualification with some specialism. They don’t diagnose or indeed select treatments- if they did we wouldn’t need doctors.
Miike wrote: » Jesus tonight. Where's the rain that fell last winter? You're really clutching at straws here. Are you suggesting just because nurses aren't bed bound outside of their shift that they're not worked hard enough?
