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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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hotmail.com

So Theresa May has effectively voted against her own deal in the Brady amendment.

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Enzokk wrote: »

This tweet has a list of Labour MPs who voted against the Cooper amendment. The problem with having a leader who constantly defied the whip is that he cannot reasonable expect his MPs to follow the Whip.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1090345300215111681

If you give in an inch they will want a mile. There is nothing more to give other than clarifications which will not satisfy Brexiteers.

17 Tories voted for the Cooper amendment. Labour MPs from Leave constituencies then. Scared of losing their seats the next time out.....

Beechwoodspark

Commission statement incoming ...

Akrasia

If you heard a thunderclap just now, it was all of the EU facepalming at the same time

Irishmale0399

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Not according to our own government.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0129/1026271-economy-brexit-finance/

"It is important to recognise that such estimates may not capture the full impact, and the figures may be conservative. Nevertheless, quantifying the impact is important to help Government understand the possible macroeconomic implications and to design the appropriate policy response."

That more or less says it all....may be!!!

The simple fact at this minute in time is that not all firms have informed people of their plans. I know of 4 very big players from the German market who are looking at Ireland to take over their English based company HQs. That will bring jobs to Ireland, maybe not at the beginning but long term. Everyone will suffer at the first moment as change will be needed and economies will need to adapt.

lawred2

Wonder is she still going to actually try boarding the plane to head over to Brussels regardless of what the commission have to say

eagle eye

Hurrache wrote:

It's not happening, no point in bringing up leaving.

You are in for a big shock in the wake of innocent people getting killed. Minds will change very quickly if that happens.

sink

Deleted User wrote: »

17 Tories voted for the Cooper amendment. Labour MPs from Leave constituencies then. Scared of losing their seats the next time out.....

Apart from Kate Hoey, a labour member from a remain constituency, who is very likely to be deselected by her local committee.

For Forks Sake

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Commission statement incoming ...

I know what my statement would say, but that's probably why I'm not a diplomat..

10000maniacs

Just shows how the UK parliament values peace in Northern Ireland. not very much it seems.
So, now we will in the next 59 days see how much Varadkar and the EU value peace in NI and the Good Friday Agreement.

franglan

lawred2 wrote: »

Wonder is she still going to actually try boarding the plane to head over to Brussels regardless of what the commission have to say

Absolutley yes.

Sparko

lawred2 wrote: »

Wonder is she still going to actually try boarding the plane to head over to Brussels regardless of what the commission have to say

They might as well just leave her sitting in the lobby listening to ABBA. Absolute waste of time, par for the course.

dublinman1990

Brady's amendment has passed. Although; it could amount to absolutely nothing at all from within EU circles.

It could not be easy???????

It could be virtually impossible for changes to the backstop to even happen Theresa.

Your parliament may be asking for a fool's errand here with this amendment to 'change' the backstop.

What I would mean in this case you could be asking for a late christmas with no late presents coming to your country's door.

Talk about you being shortchanged.

Hurrache

eagle eye wrote: »

You are in for a big shock in the wake of innocent people getting killed. Minds will change very quickly if that happens.

It's not happening.

Ronan|Raven

hotmail.com wrote: »

So Theresa May has effectively voted against her own deal in the Brady amendment.

That's pretty much it. The sheer absurdity of the whole thing.

tuxy

Sammy Wilson picking his nose while Ian Blackford accuses the house of having no respect for the GFA.

Water John

Ian Blackburn says the Govn't have torn up the Good Friday Agreement.

Itssoeasy

Alternative arrangements ? What an utterly vague term. If there had been better alternatives to the backstop you'd think they would have been worked out ? I actually give up.

Enzokk

tuxy wrote: »

Sammy Wilson picking his nose while Ian Blackford accuses the house of having no respect for the GFA.

The contempt and disrespect being shown to the SNP from the Tories is incredible. I cannot understand how Scotland still want to be part of a country that treats their voice with such disdain.

Itssoeasy

tuxy wrote: »

Sammy Wilson picking his nose while Ian Blackford accuses the house of having no respect for the GFA.

Kind of sums up the DUPs attitude to the GFA in fairness.

prawnsambo

eagle eye wrote: »

You are in for a big shock in the wake of innocent people getting killed. Minds will change very quickly if that happens.

Your logic is astounding. We leave the EU and join the country who precipitate a crisis on our island and you think that's the appropriate response? Far more likely that there will be a UI vote.

Hurrache

Dodds claiming that he's speaking for both sides of the community in his defence of the GFA. Deeper down the rabbit hole we go.

Enzokk

In no surprise at all Donald Tusk has already shot down the plan of May.

https://twitter.com/DanielBoffey/status/1090350488791539712

So what now? Will she be humiliated again?

lawred2

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Alternative arrangements ? What an utterly vague term. If there had been better alternatives to the backstop you'd think they would have been worked out ? I actually give up.

It's clear now that these lads want a hard Brexit and are playing any old cards to get it. They want the clock ticking down with May doddering and dithering her way to failure.

And NI is just a nothing to them.

If the likes of Wilson weren't so completed clouded by their hatred of Ireland they'd see it.

As it is feeling 'important' even if only as useful fools in Westminster is all it takes for them to get their warm and fuzzies.

Well that and fetching para outfits of course.

eagle eye

Hurrache wrote:

It's not happening.

You are wrong if there is a hard border.

dublinman1990

According to the BBC; Donald Tusk is not budging on the backstop within the WA at all.

Very clear message there to TM & her government.

Beechwoodspark

Tusk says agreement is not open for renegotiation and the backstop is integral to it.

May can act the hard chaw all she likes in London but she will be sent packing in Brussels if we are to take the EU at face value.

hotmail.com

The Brady amendment changes nothing whatsoever. May has received a mandate to do ... nothing.

Hurrache

The face on that conservative MP dropping when that Tusk statement read to him.

lawred2

Hurrache wrote: »

The face on that conservative MP dropping when that Tulsk statement read to him.

Was he expecting something else?