Dohnjoe wrote: » And Germany, pushing Maduro to have proper elections, with "their" history! the hypocrisy of it! grrr
Spannerplank wrote: » Dohnjoe, if a country is such a nightmare for the people who live there then why do you think that the best course of action is to make it even worse? How bad is life for Venezuelans as opposed to Uzbeks or Saudis? Gotta help these poor people right? I still hear Americans bemoan the fact that US soldiers were killed in Iraq "after all we did to he!p these ragheads"
Gatling wrote: » No it's actually old news it was mentioned on here and elsewhere just the bots didn't want to speak about it , Not surprising they only want to talk about what rt and sputnik say
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » Some of that "evidence" was stuff lifted from a computer game ffs
Gatling wrote: » More misinformation . Computer games hardly original didn't they the russians say the same when they claimed to have found American anti-aircraft missiles in east Ukraine only the russians printed an information sheet from battlefield 4 for a weapon that didn't exist sad but hilariously true
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » How many
Dohnjoe wrote: » Don't get me started with what the US did to the native Americans. And they have the audacity to lecture Putin on human rights, the hypocrisy! Am I doing this right, or is that too far back?
ArchXStanton wrote: » You're missing the point, what we have is a country with a proven track record of meddling/regime change and its nearly always the same old ding dong, sanctions, start accusing the leader of being a dictator who doesn't care about his people, start street protests and funneling money to "opposition" chaos and bloodshed follow, congrats welcome to US regime change 101
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » An "opposition" leader that usually springs out of nowhere, like Guaido. Declared himself president no less, and wins instant recognition from the US.
ArchXStanton wrote: » Have you ever heard of this Guaido character until last week? I heard a Stat that 81% of Venezuelans had never heard of him either..
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » Hes a nobody that nobody heard of who did postgrad courses in "public administration" in the US. Groomed for his part in an attempted coup. funny how a lot of stooges get an education in the US Yatsenyuk and Saakashvili spring to mind.
Gatling wrote: » Yanukovic in Ukraine comes to mind in several years he went from earning the average industrial wage in east Ukraine as a local mayor to multi billionaire and president backed by Putin odd he didn't own any companies or designed and owned some amazing consumer product that sold globally making him a billionaire . Who gave hundreds of millions of dollars of Ukrainian tax payers money to russian companies for no apparent reason or services Odd how you always seems to forget anything but America did this and America did that ,the west is evil Putin is good
Dohnjoe wrote: » You are misunderstanding. That's an event, related directly to Putin. There are posters solely in here to attack "countries and their history", not the administrations involved. We're getting Cold war references in here - nothing to do with Putin, or May, or Merkel, or Trump It's like some individuals actually personify an entire nation, it's multiple leaders from different parties and decades of history into something they can "hate"
Spannerplank wrote: » Dohnjoe wrote: » You are misunderstanding. That's an event, related directly to Putin. There are posters solely in here to attack "countries and their history", not the administrations involved. We're getting Cold war references in here - nothing to do with Putin, or May, or Merkel, or Trump It's like some individuals actually personify an entire nation, it's multiple leaders from different parties and decades of history into something they can "hate" Historical events don't happen in a vacuum.. Al queda and 9/11 didn't just spring up out of nowhere in 2001. Their origins go back to American interference during g the Carter and Reagan governments. .
Dohnjoe wrote: » That's largely a false narrative. The election wasn't considered a real election, nor was it properly monitored. As such, the world (with the exception of about 7 countries) rejected it. The Kremlin sparked a war in Eastern Ukraine, directly supplying men, tanks, armaments, anti-aircraft equipment, etc
Spannerplank wrote: » Actually the referendum was monitored by international observers from 27
Billy86 wrote: » It stems back before those two actually, thanks not only to the USA but the USSR also. I'm sure you will accept this truth and not try to blindly deny it or respond with whataboutism as that would make no sense given I am saying both shoulder a lot of blame.
Gatling wrote: » Lol next you will be telling us sinn fein was there over seeing everything. But the facts Russian forces pushed through a referendum under threat of violence to rejoin Russia, Now tell us how that was legal when the outcome was already decided by Putin and not the people of Ukraine The international community widely condemned the Declaration of Independence. A major source of criticism was that the referendum's adoption came after the building of the Supreme Council of Crimea was seized by the Russian military prior to adoption. During that time, no journalists were allowed inside the building to witness the council seating on the referendum.[3] The Council seating on the referendum was not included the in Supreme Council's original schedule, which had no meetings originally scheduled for March 11, 2014. Deputies were forcefully brought to the building by Russian militants,[4] and there is no evidence that there was quorum,[5] which was a requirement for the seating to even occur. as an independent state[7][8] and agreed to incorporate the Republic into Russian Federation. However, the international community condemned the referendum as undemocratic and illegal.[9] On 27 March 2014, the United Nations General Assembly adopted the "Territorial Integrity of Ukraine" Resolution, which recognized the referendum as part of the illegal annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation.[10] One hundred nations, including the United States, the United Kingdom, Belgium, the Netherlands, and other democratic nations, voted in favour of the resolution. Fifty-eight abstained, and a further eleven voted against. The votes against included the Russian Federation, Venezuela, Armenia, and other nations with close economic and political ties to Russia.
Spannerplank wrote: » And with regard to your ad hominem attack about Sinn Fein, are you saying that I am lying about the international observers?
ArchXStanton wrote: » "It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela." - John Bolton Oh dear looks like someone let the cat out of the bag, still think this is about democracy and the Venezuelan people lads?
one world order wrote: » The Americans and British did out the same evil in Iraq. Carried out 9/11, denoted bombs to bring down the world trade center
one world order wrote: » The Americans and British did out the same evil in Iraq. Carried out 9/11, denoted bombs to bring down the world trade centre and used the mainstream media to go after Iraq. Dropped 100,000 tons of bombs on schools, hospitals and infrastructure mainly while the Iraqi people slept in their beds. Completely destroyed the country so they could gain control of their oil and stop the sale of oil in euros instead of US petrodollars.
Gatling wrote: » Yes and yes . You know absolutely nothing about Ukraine crimea , Maybe consider fb
Spannerplank wrote: » I'll provide you with the testimony from observers should you wish.
Gatling wrote: » Nope don't need anymore putinganda seen and heard it all over the last nearly 5 years . You've nothing to offer unfortunately happy trolling
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » What was that tale about the forty superheroes in Syria.
Gatling wrote: » Don't cry russians and wars tend not to mix very well , Might not tell you that in Moscow thought
