ancapailldorcha wrote: » I'm not seeing it to be honest. I've found GPs here to be a ridiculously mixed bag. Never mind A&E waiting times. Obviously anecdotal but the NHS stopped being the envy of the world some time ago. Nobody is going to be stupid enough to say it should be privatised. Instead, they'll just outsource more and more of it to the private sector. The NHS needs to be overhauled to meet the needs of an ageing society. Telling a quarter of its staff they're not welcome in the country is a poor start.
MPFGLB wrote: » Emmm No its not going to be privatised ...no politician in the UK who tries ever gets far and no government will dare..privatisation is trotted out again and again by those who want to make political gain Of course Blair privatised delivery of some services but its tiny amounts and that is just some outpatients/community services offered by private firms like Virgin but its not privatisation of the service which still remains free at the point of access and many people dont seem to understand the difference . The NHS is about a million miles ahead of the Irish system and many other healthcare systems... for all its faults ..Its one of the main reasons why I wont retire to Ireland though Ireland has a better state pension
Havockk wrote: » The NHS will be privatised faster than a... fast thing post brexit. Never going to survive disaster cap or the whim of US trade policy.
Lemming wrote: » I didn't comment on that. It remains to be seen, as much as certain elements of the Tories might like to fantasise about. Unless you've lived in the UK at all, or spent considerable time here at any rate, it's hard to convey just how well regarded (perhaps not the correct word to use but hey-ho) the NHS is as a national entity in the UK, and any time there's any mention of politicians trying to wield a knife to it, they frequently back down in the face of media outcries. That's not to say that in that given half a chance with everyone looking the other way that the Tories wouldn't sell the NHS along with the family jewels.
Lemming wrote: » The one thing the UK has - generally speaking - done well since WW2 is its free healthcare system. Yes, it has problems but it is quite frankly leaps & bounds above the Irish healthcare system, particularly when it comes to front-line services. A&E waiting times can still be a pain in the @rse, but the follow-through on front-line services & after-care is very good, although just how far that goes depends a bit on location-lottery much like anywhere else in the world. In the community, the costs borne by joe-soap if they visit their GP or Dentist are tiny by comparison to what one might get charged in Ireland. No eye-watering dental charges just to say "ahhhhhh" never mind get a filling or what-not, and that health insurance is very common in Ireland, yet is not common UK should tell you something. Having dealt with elements of the HSE in a professional capacity, and on top of both my own experiences and those of family members of both community & A&E in Dublin, I'll take the NHS over the HSE all any day. So, whatever else you might want to say about Brexit, your dismissive line of "lol" regards the NHS is a hiding to nowhere and contributes nothing. There are better things to contruct an argument with; the NHS vs. the HSE is not one of them and will be a very large thorn in the side of squaring Irish unification should Northern Ireland ever vote to join with rest of the country.
downcow wrote: » I can’t believe you are suggesting what I think you are suggesting. My father family of 11 all left roi to get jobs in the north. As I grew up the south was a standing joke (and I am not say that was a nice way to behave but it is fact) around their roads, telephones, their electric, etc, etc. Currently I work for an all ireland organisation and colleagues from the south often express open envy at many of our systems eg access to free doctors, prescriptions, etc. I commend the south for the progress on equality and separating church from state etc over the last decade. Indeed you have caught up from a long way behind and overtook us on these
RobMc59 wrote: » I don't think the rest of the UK is subservient to England(if you said that in Scotland you'd be a very brave person!)but I do think this whole brexit disaster has exposed some serious flaws in the UK political system.
VinLieger wrote: » LoL the irish healthcare system may not be first in the world but the NHS isnt that far ahead of it with its record levels of staffing shortages to name but one major issue facing it.
downcow wrote: » Currently I work for an all ireland organisation and colleagues from the south often express open envy at many of our systems eg access to free doctors, prescriptions, etc.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Posts deleted. Let's leave it at that please.
RobMc59 wrote: » I don't think the rest of the UK is subservient to England.
downcow wrote: » Scotland have both recently voted to be part of the UK
Anthracite wrote: » If you are interested in how well the UK system works, compare the trajectory of the NI economy with the ROI economy since independence.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Asking other people to back up your claims for you isn't acceptable here. Either stop making the claim or substantiate it and cut out the soapboxing.
downcow wrote: » The UK was a patchwork of in and out. 2 countries voted in & 2 countries voted out There were regions voted in and there were regions voted out And even in NI there constituencies voted in and there were constituencies voted out Wales and Scotland have both recently voted to be part of the UK and NI isn’t even close enough to consider haveing a referendum to opt out. How could it be more democratic and how luderous would it be to start saying County Antrim stays and County Fermanagh goes
eagle eye wrote: » Well it's a bit more than just pulling it out of things air but I've nothing more to add. Surely if you are so upset by what I'm saying you have figures to prove I'm wrong?
prawnsambo wrote: So you're basing this on feelings, opinions and beliefs. And the absence of evidence is evidence of a cover up. Got it.
Anthracite wrote: So you have no evidence to suggest immigrants are more likely to be criminals, but you are saying it anyway?
Anthracite wrote: » True, but that means they are all subservient to England, as seen in recent events. If you are interested in how well the UK system works, compare the trajectory of the NI economy with the ROI economy since independence.
RobMc59 wrote: » Well actually in the eyes of the EU and UK all countries within the UK have the exact same status.
Folkstonian wrote: » It makes a nice change for the Scottish to hate someone else as opposed to each other once in a while, I guess. And I’d probably go to war with the world if I was welsh too. But in all seriousness, I don’t think you can draw many conclusions about wider political trends from the potato-brained louts at an international football match that will yell anything if it may get a rise from the opposition fans. In saying that however, I do think an independent England would be a good thing. Scottish politics have diverged wildly over the last few years. The SNP government north of the wall are every bit as inept, and even more extreme than their counterparts in London.
