downcow wrote: » It is quite logicalI am a democrat (i feel it necessary to specify that, as many on here seem to be happy to disregard democracy)I didn't vote - Just emphasising that I was fairly neutral on the issue and was over in France enjoying the Euro champs (the irony :-)I don't believe in referendums - i thought by this stage you would have got this one. We elect politicians to spend their time digesting the facts on issues like brexit at a much deeper level than we have time to and then we expect them to make the decisions and not pass the ones they don't have the balls to make back to the public to have a stab at
Enzokk wrote: » I have a question, how would you have voted if you were able to?
Calina wrote: » Someone who does not believe in one would not normally support the implementation of the result of one.
downcow wrote: » I honestly would have struggled with it. I was naturally prob very slightly remain but had huge issues with how Europe is run. But the intervention of Obama and the likes, combined with our government spending millions on a propaganda leaflet telling us to vote remain would have probably been enough to push me to vote for Brexit. I know i had a smile to myself when i heard the vote coming through in France - I felt thats one up for the ordinary man
listermint wrote: » Obama ,?? This stuff is hilarious. I'm finding myself highly amused. What about Obama saying the UK should be sensible and stay in an economic union tickled your fancy. Or what about Obama irks you
Tell me how wrote: » I hope that ordinary man isn't an aircraft worker supplying parts to Airbus. I can't get over the shortsightedness of decrying Obama giving an opinion on something saying has no right to have an opinion while simultaneously saying Trump is right to be "America First". It is evident in the UK though as well, every time Tony Blair opens his mouth on Brexit, he emboldens remainers even more even though he is talking sense.
listermint wrote: » Obama ,?? This stuff is hilarious. I'm finding myself highly amused. What about Obama saying the UK should be sensible and stay in an economic union tickled your fancy. Or what about Obama irks you You claim to be a democrat
FreudianSlippers wrote: » Something tells me it has a lot nothing to do with melanin.
Enzokk wrote: » So you are not neutral, you are most likely a leaver as this is how you would have voted. In the time since then you are most definitely a leaver as I am sure you have not changed your mind or you would not have said we should leave as well. Own it.
downcow wrote: » I think that statement says more about you than me. As my mum used to say "As you live yourself, you dread your neighbour"
lawred2 wrote: » How is 'Europe' run? And what were your particular issues?
downcow wrote: » No problem him having an opinion. but a foreign power speaking in our parliament in such a partisan manner at such a time was out of order - but the irony is he pushed the vote towards brexit"Barack Obama will jet into the UK next month and use his star power to convince Britons they should vote to stay in the European Union. from the independant at the time The timing of the US President’s intervention, a major coup for the Remain campaign, is revealed by The Independent on Sunday, as a ComRes poll for this newspaper finds that Boris Johnson, unofficial leader of the Leave campaign, matches David Cameron on “trust” – suggesting that the referendum could be closely fought. Asked which of the two they trust more to do what is best for Britain, 35 per cent say Mr Cameron and 34 per cent Mr Johnson." Bob Corker, the chairman of the US Senate foreign relations committee, said last month that Mr Obama was planning “a big, public reach-out” to persuade British voters of the merits of staying in the EU. But several government and Remain campaign sources have now confirmed the timing and added that he will fly into the UK to make a direct appeal to the British electorate.
downcow wrote: How about this as a wee example "a £130 million travelling circus that once a month sees the European Parliament decamp from Belgium to France.
FreudianSlippers wrote: » I have no problem being openly a fan of Obama and black people in general.
FrancieBrady wrote: » How was it 'partisan' before the people had decided? He didn't break into parliament and start shouting, I assume he was invited to give his opinion, which again wasn't an order. You are a bit all over the shop in defining yourself a 'democrat' and I suspect defining Obama's speech as partisan gives the lie to your protestations that you were in any way neutral. Someone who is neutral would value ALL opinion.
First Up wrote: » You think the UK should leave the EU over that?
downcow wrote: » Did i say I am neutral?Own it? I think i have been very clear that am believe the referendum should be implemented. That sounds like a mind change to me but you know my mind best
downcow wrote: » You just arnt hearing me.I was neutral I don’t believe in referendums but there was a democratic decision to hold it I didn’t vote My people voted out I am a democrat Still neatral in that I don’t think economically in or out is going to make much difference Backstop situation is totally unacceptable so I with the UK and leaving You might not like it but that’s where me and many others are
downcow wrote: » How about this as a wee example "a £130 million travelling circus that once a month sees the European Parliament decamp from Belgium to France. Over the course of the weekend, some 2,500 plastic trunks will be loaded on to five lorries and driven almost 300 miles from Brussels to Strasbourg. On Monday, about 1,000 politicians, officials and translators will then make the same journey on two specially chartered trains hired at taxpayers’ expense. A few thousand more will go to Strasbourg by other means, as the European Parliament switches from Brussels, its permanent base, to its “official” home in northern France." :mad: you can read it all here http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/19/why-does-parliament-move-between-brussels-and-strasbourg
downcow wrote: no you asked for an example and i gave you one. I cant really win can I
Tell me how wrote: » I The latest example of this was Helen McEntee on BBC Radio 4 this morning. She was being interviewed by John Humphrys. There were several points in the interview which it would have been easy to get emotive and to respond to his points (position) (08:58 for the pinnacle of this)with outright derision but Helen consistently remained balanced and responded in a level but forthright manner. Such interviews I think involve the interviewer trying to provoke a comment which will be used to project a weakness in the Irish or EU position and thankfully this is one more where they have failed to get what they wanted. Let's hope no one from the BBC puts a microphone in front of a Healy-Rae and asks them what do the Irish really think of the English.
downcow wrote: » I think you know my problem that the government invited on side into parliament. Had they brought another world leader with another position then fine. Any trhe UK population saw right through the pr campaign
This is a significant amount, though it corresponds to just 6% of Parliament’s budget, or 1% of the EU’s administrative budget or just 0.1% of the entire EU budget.
FreudianSlippers wrote: » I fail to see how this thread is about anything other than the relevance of Ireland in the context of Brexit, but if the "Republic of Ireland" wishes to continue to be a State without a hard border on this island then I guess we should capitulate to our British masters.
Tell me how wrote: » I have long said that I have been impressed with the consistent performance of our key players on Brexit. Chiefly Simon Coveney but also Leo Varadkar, (with this week showing just how much of a knife edge it is to say anything), (Micheal Martin deserves a mention also for not trying to initiate a GE). They all have performed in a manner which I think is in the countries best interests (in terms of Brexit) and which shows their ability to maintain a professional manner and not allow themselves to resort to the blather which we are seeing across the water. The latest example of this was Helen McEntee on BBC Radio 4 this morning. She was being interviewed by John Humphrys. There were several points in the interview which it would have been easy to get emotive and to respond to his points (position) (08:58 for the pinnacle of this)with outright derision but Helen consistently remained balanced and responded in a level but forthright manner. Such interviews I think involve the interviewer trying to provoke a comment which will be used to project a weakness in the Irish or EU position and thankfully this is one more where they have failed to get what they wanted. Let's hope no one from the BBC puts a microphone in front of a Healy-Rae and asks them what do the Irish really think of the English.
J Mysterio wrote: » This was briliiant, thanks. With Coveney and Varadkar, McEntee has been great on Brexit. Very good considered responses to imflammatory, ignorant questioning by the belligerent Humphrys.
“And as Obama was saying that, somebody on the British side said: 'We'd end up being at the back of the queue,' and everybody laughed and Obama said 'That is exactly right'. "Then he was asked: 'It would be good if you could repeat that point in the press conference', and of course he did." Asked whether it was Mr Cameron who made the request, Mr Rhodes said: "Yes. To be fair to Cameron, I don't know that Cameron was suggesting the exact phrase that had been used on his side, but that is what was put forward. Obama said: 'Yes, I'm here to be helpful.'
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