Leo Varadkar wrote: we are "forever closing tax loopholes"
Folkstonian wrote: » Not sure where I said I thought that it would be expedient or advantageous to declare nuclear war on our closest continental ‘neighbour’. I simply corrected what read as a deliberate attempt to distort the truth and not a ‘tongue in cheek riposte’. But anyway I’m getting quite fed up with the whole endeavour now. I’ve swung from being a remainer, to a Brexit supporter, back to a remainer, and back yet again to a Brexit supporter. I just want it to be over now and hope we salvage some kind of deal. It’s going to mean a few years of turbulence but that will just have to be negotiated. I’m finding it ever harder to find the political dynamic of the European Union as agreeable prospect going forward. Geemany and France have ignited the afterburners on economic and military integration. Things that were written off as unhelpful and impossible scare stories just a few years ago are now being talked about by heads of state and willed on by influential MEPs. I think we’ve got to a stage where there’s no going back, for anybody, and an extension of article 50 will be dreaded by all sides.
aindriu80 wrote: » I guess your right EdgeCase. I think the brits are really egging them on though!
Hurrache wrote: » Still waiting for the reasons you believe Brexit will be good for Northern Ireland and its people.
downcow wrote: » I think the mod told you that question was answered. I’ll answer again if you wish
Irishmale0399 wrote: » The longer this all goes on the more I think the EU should give Donald a ring. Let him practice his wall building from Omeath to Donegal.......let the people of N.Ireland run an indepentant state for 5-10 years and then we can all sit down again. Ask them then if they want to be in the EU, independant or reunite with Ireland or rejoin the UK. Might be the making of the country when they have no fallback in London and know that they have to do things right without the usual sh1te. Also solves the UK/EU problem and we can all get on with our lives......
downcow wrote: » I am finding it difficult to engage with this discussion. It seems people from ‘ireland’ can be as offensive as the wish towards Northern Ireland but dare us from the ‘north’ say a word that may be seen as disengeniois or we are reprimanded. I know you guys are very frustrated about the direction of things but don’t shoot the messenger. Tbh I am not rattled with being told to go to hell above or the other endless derogatory stuff about the north, our elected reps, our government, etc. But I think there needs to be a wee bit of openness to take it if you give it. Guess that might be me in trouble again but when we are all gone you will be able to have nice discussions about how awful the brits are without anyone challenging the attitudes
Leroy42 wrote: » Folkstonian states what it appears many in the UK seem to think. "Just get BRexit done with and move on". As pointed out, this really is only the start of it. Either go with TM deal and have 3 more years of constant talk about the impending backstop coupled with continuing arguments about the trade deal. Ir crash out and have the next few years trying to piece together some sort of trade policy and probably spend years in court dealing with claims and WTO cases. The only way this ends anytime soon is to cancel Brexit.
prawnsambo wrote: » If you want it to be over, then the only option is to call the whole thing off. Because it will be a headline item for years to come regardless of whether it's a deal or no deal. There'll be trade deals or no trade deals, talks stalling or coming close to fruition only to stall again. And then every time something happens that can be pointed to as brexit related, that will be headline news too. Rinse and repeat.
Hurrache wrote: » Not that question I believe. Thanks for answering it again in case I previously missed it in the chaos.
FrancieBrady wrote: » We already know the majority in northern Ireland want to stay in the EU.
aindriu80 wrote: » What do you make of the polish leader Mateusz Morawiecki having a go at Ireland :https://www.independent.ie/business/gavin-mcloughlin-leo-varadkar-was-brutally-undercut-by-his-polish-counterpart-in-front-of-the-worlds-most-influential-people-37745441.html That country is starting to stink a lot for me
downcow wrote: » The answer is None The majority of our nation voted to leave. We are a democracy. Our region has had massive economical support from our nation (UK). We would be absolutely insane to separate and go with a nation (ireland) which even according th sf has showed little or no interest in our wellbeing over last 100 years. I would rather stay with our nation of 70million people than dive into the unknown with a nation of 5 million and reliant on Eu which is heading into very difficult times Does that help you?
Irishmale0399 wrote: » At this stage the majority must also have an Irish passport and the half of that majority dont want to be Irish......
Folkstonian wrote: » I don’t agree because there is no status quo. Rescinding the article 50 notice or having a second referendum doesn’t mean that things go back to how they were. Europe seemingly wants to increase the pace of integration. Europe now isn’t the same as it was in 2015 and it isn’t going back. I don’t feel any particular annoyance at that, because it’s not up to Britain or any British person to tell the EU what it should do. But I feel an ever increasing disconnect and a growing sense of unease at the intended pace and ubiquity of integration. Being honest, I don’t ‘feel’ like a European, I don’t feel like much of Europe would see me as European, but I still would like to maintain good relations and a sense of shared values where it is appropriate etc I think that, more and more, people are going to need to be fully on board for this social integration aspect to work. I can’t ever see a time in England when thst will be the case. At least in the EEA we would have a proper safety barrier between Britain and the European Parliament, Macron, Merkel and their plans for Europe etc I really am starting to think it offers the best of both worlds, for Britain and for Europe!
Folkstonian wrote: » ] because it’s not up to Britain or any British person to tell the EU what it should do.
Leroy42 wrote: » But why so black and white? BRexit was never about UI, and it was never sold as a crash out. The softest of Brexit, Norway for example would not have required any of that. Yet it was ruled out, not by democracy but by a minority government. And the DUP have stood shoulder to shoulder with them despite there constituents (NI as a whole not GE wise) voting to remain (or things to stay the same). At what point in the ref did Leave or Remain claim it was about a UI? You have made up a strawman argument to give yourself a reason to rail against
downcow wrote: » Could you tell me why there is a struggle to accept the UK vote as representative but the NI vote doesn’t give you the same concern. Remember NI vote was very close and that was with the Ulster unionist party supporting remain. If there were a rerun their supporters would primarily be leave. Don’t assume NI won’t vote leave.
downcow wrote: » So what do you think unionists in NI should do?
FrancieBrady wrote: » What does that mean?? Do you think a Greek feels different to a French person? Of course they do. There is no homogeneous type of European, it is just a name for the people who live in Europe.
Folkstonian wrote: » Well that is kind of why I put it in quotation marks. I honestly don’t know what it isn’t meant to mean, or meant to feel like. All I know is I don’t have any feeling at all on that front. And I think that’s one of the problems, maybe. It’s not out of malice or ill will. There’s nowhere more interesting on the planet for me than the continent of Europe. But it doesn’t feel like anything other than a foreign place. And I think having an emotional connection to the idea, or the concept of a European ‘home’ is going to be so important for everyone who is going to be able to accept all of the integration drives. I don’t want England to be trying to pulling up the handbrake whilst everyone else puts their foot on the accelerator. It’s going to cause long term acrimonious feelings if anything, which I think in a world that’s really ticking right now.. we could all do without
Folkstonian wrote: And I think that’s one of the problems, maybe. It’s not out of malice or ill will. There’s nowhere more interesting on the planet for me than the continent of Europe. But it doesn’t feel like anything other than a foreign place.
