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Recommend electric folding scooter for end of commute (Mod Note Post #1)

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Mod Note: I've discussed with site admins, due to the current legal situation recommendations cannot be made for use of electric scooters on public roads in Ireland, but can be made for use on private property. However, we will allow discussion of e-scooters for purchase for use on private property, and other jurisdictions such as France/Germany where they are legal for use. This restriction will be lifted as soon as the legal situation changes, which will hopefully be soon.

I was thinking of getting one of those xiaomi m365 folding scooters to cover the last 5 kilometres of the journey as I come into the city and traffic gets mad. I am looking for peoples experiences with them.

I understand they are in a bit of a legal grey area, but you need to push this scooter to get going, so technically it doesn’t operate on mechanical power alone which is what the rsa site mentions as the definition of an mpv.

I’ll be travelling about 15km each way from urban to city. Due to a back injury, I can’t spend an hour stuck in traffic twice per day. I can’t tolerate public transport and it would be much more expensive (over €100 per month, compared to about €5 per month in my Leaf and m365).

So, my plan would be to drive about 10km and park the car before hitting the city centre. Parking would be free as I would be well outside the cc. I would then scoot the rest of the way to my destination and do the reverse on my return journey. I wouldn’t be stuck in traffic for too long and the range of the scooter should easily cover the return journey without destination charging. The scooter will cost around €400 to buy and claims 30km per charge...I am expecting 15.

What do you think?

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drunkmonkey

Don't agree it's more dangerous than a bicycle. It stops quickly and doesn't go near as fast.
When did we become so soft that scooting was seen as dangerous.

antodeco

grogi wrote: »

Bicycles do require you to pedal - going fast is hard - and have much bigger wheels - thus navigating the potholes is easier. Electric scooter is much more dangerous and I wouldn't like to see any wanker going around on one. I also don't believe that Gardai will be able to keep them under control.

Sure the Gardai cant even keep scramblers under control!

Shefwedfan

grogi wrote: »

Bicycles do require you to pedal - going fast is hard - and have much bigger wheels - thus navigating the potholes is easier. Electric scooter is much more dangerous and I wouldn't like to see any wanker going around on one. I also don't believe that Gardai will be able to keep them under control.

Hard to control. How many scrambles and little quads are flying around the green areas in Dublin? no license/insurance/tax nothing......they can go alot quicker than a scooter.....

They are more of a nuisance than a scooter

grogi

antodeco wrote: »

Sure the Gardai cant even keep scramblers under control!

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Hard to control. How many scrambles and little quads are flying around the green areas in Dublin? no license/insurance/tax nothing......they can go alot quicker than a scooter.....

I count myself lucky then - I literally have no idea what you're talking about...

beauf

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Don't agree it's more dangerous than a bicycle. It stops quickly and doesn't go near as fast.
When did we become so soft that scooting was seen as dangerous.

You're only looking at low end ones. There are many more,

This one does 30kph
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109080662&postcount=417

This one 40kph
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108801308&postcount=363

Shefwedfan

beauf wrote: »

You're only looking at low end ones. There are many more,

This one does 30kph
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109080662&postcount=417

This one 40kph
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108801308&postcount=363

They are rated at that speed when a mouse is on them.....unfortunately the oversized Irish man will restrict the speed a bit....first time I stood up on the M365 the tyre blew out with the weight of me :P:P:P

I joke, but not a chance in hell with an adult they get close to that speed. My sister in law took the M365 for a spin. She is very petite and it didn't get up to that speed.

Shefwedfan

grogi wrote: »

I count myself lucky then - I literally have no idea what you're talking about...

I don't live in Dublin but I go in and out of Dublin regular, you will see them dotted around different parts of Dublin.....not too hard either, normally you can hear long before you can see

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beauf

Shefwedfan wrote: »

They are rated at that speed when a mouse is on them.....unfortunately the oversized Irish man will restrict the speed a bit....first time I stood up on the M365 the tyre blew out with the weight of me :P:P:P

I joke, but not a chance in hell with an adult they get close to that speed. My sister in law took the M365 for a spin. She is very petite and it didn't get up to that speed.

The M365 is 250w the others are more powerful.

loyatemu

grogi wrote: »

Bicycles do require you to pedal - going fast is hard - and have much bigger wheels - thus navigating the potholes is easier. Electric scooter is much more dangerous and I wouldn't like to see any wanker going around on one. I also don't believe that Gardai will be able to keep them under control.

do you have proof they're more dangerous? Pedestrians have been killed by cyclists but it's incredibly rare, I don't think the risk from scooters is likely to be much higher (they weigh about the same as a bike but I assume most of that weight is in the base in the form of batteries).

beauf

Heres a Vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tuQqSXrVlo&feature=youtu.be

beauf

loyatemu wrote: »

do you have proof they're more dangerous? Pedestrians have been killed by cyclists but it's incredibly rare, I don't think the risk from scooters is likely to be much higher (they weigh about the same as a bike but I assume most of that weight is in the base in the form of batteries).

The US has both for a while. One opinion is that people under estimate the speed of the scooters and get out of their depth very fast. I've no opinion on it either way.

the death rate on shared Lime and Bike e-scooters is roughly one per 10.75 million trips. There have been just two bike share deaths nationwide, making the death rate roughly one for every 61.5 million trips,

Martynet

quarryman wrote: »

Still loving my Zoom Stryder. About 450km done on it now.

The best part is the full suspension. I don’t know how anyone clocks up miles on the M365 without any suspension on it.

I love bunny hopping off the odd kerb on my way home.

My advice: don’t cheap out on the models with no suspension. Irish roads just aren’t made for it.

Same here. Went for Dualtron Spider. Should come this weeks. It's the longest waiting in my life... Ordered it at the end of november. Btw, you are welcome to share any info and experince, photos, etc in the FB group "Electric Scooter Ireland", I created recently. And if you know any other riders, invite them in too. cheers

Martynet

grogi wrote: »

A scooter like that is not really suitable to be driven on a road - rather cycle paths and walkways. But it still is very fast - and it is very easy to make serious harm - hurt a pedestrian when riding a scooter like that.

I am all for making our transport much more sustainable. But as it stands, just making them legal is a recipe for disaster IMHO. They really would need to be seriously limited - to ~10 kmh - to be allowed to be used without insurance and driving license.

When I cycle to work, my speed going downhill is around 40-50 km/h. So I don't think that bicycle is less harmfull than a scooter. I think that scooters should be allowed in cycling lane, to keep the riders safe. Most of the scooter riders keep the average speed around 25-35 km/h. Which is perfectly safe. I wouldn't allow scooter on the path, unless there is no road or cycle lane.

Anyway, lots has to change, because scooters and other similar gadgets are amazing commuting devices... And we need to find political support and more riders

bigslick

Anyone considering the Xiaomi M365 Amazon Spain currently have it at €369 https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B077QHRLPB/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL&psc=1, though you will have to use ParcelMotel/AddressPall etc for delivery to Ireland. I got mine through here and was €380 at the time, so this is even better deal.

Re: suspension, i havent had much an issue with this. As one previous poster said, just be conscious of potholes and youre fine. I have had to tighten handlebars slightly every two weeks or so due to vibrations, but for my purposes doesnt cause me any issues.

SteM

bigslick wrote: »

Anyone considering the Xiaomi M365 Amazon Spain currently have it at €369 https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B077QHRLPB/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL&psc=1, though you will have to use ParcelMotel/AddressPall etc for delivery to Ireland. I got mine through here and was €380 at the time, so this is even better deal.

Re: suspension, i havent had much an issue with this. As one previous poster said, just be conscious of potholes and youre fine. I have had to tighten handlebars slightly every two weeks or so due to vibrations, but for my purposes doesnt cause me any issues.

One of the lads in work has one of these but says punctures are a pain to fix. Anyone had any issues fixing punctures on these?

Shefwedfan

SteM wrote: »

One of the lads in work has one of these but says punctures are a pain to fix. Anyone had any issues fixing punctures on these?

Seen a video with some stuff they pumped into the tyre to stop puncture....

to fix a puncture it is very difficult to take the wheel off

bigslick

SteM wrote: »

One of the lads in work has one of these but says punctures are a pain to fix. Anyone had any issues fixing punctures on these?

Have done about 600kms on it so far with no punctures (touch wood) yet. Best way to avoid punctures is to make sure the tyre PSI is always at right level (40-50 PSI) at all times. This means I usually pump up the front tyre about once a week, after using it to and from work 5 days a week. Also avoid potholes, and glass, which I have noticed more and more since having.

You can use a liquid called Slime (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000W45GGW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1) to help prevent punctures. You deflate tyre, squeeze it into the tyre inner tube, inflate, and then if you get a puncture the slime oozes into the puncture and temporarily seals it. Though I have heard stories from people that it does not work as expected. If punctures are an issue, you can buy solid rubber tyres to install instead, however this makes ride a bit harder.

If you do get a puncture it is the front one which is most difficult to replace, as the motor is contained in front wheel. Rear tire is easy enough in comparison. Lots of videos online on how to do it though, but would need few hours to complete. I would advise getting the EU/UK version for this reason, as it comes with two spare sets of tyres, while the International version sold by Gearbest etc do not, and inflatable tyres can run about €20 a pop.

andy_g

SteM wrote: »

One of the lads in work has one of these but says punctures are a pain to fix. Anyone had any issues fixing punctures on these?

im using solid tyres on my m365 and to be honest its not too much harder ride

Northern Monkey

Does anyone own one of these have large feet? I’m thinking about getting one but not sure if both on my size 13’s will fit on it!

Garibaldi?

Looking at you tube videos of people on scooters Id say shoe size wouldn't be an issue, Appropriate foot wear though. Saw one woman in highish heels on a scooter yesterday!

Garibaldi?

What's the best way to carry a few belongings on these scooters?

beauf

Northern Monkey wrote: »

Does anyone own one of these have large feet? I’m thinking about getting one but not sure if both on my size 13’s will fit on it!

Go look at one in a three shop. They are pretty massive these scooters.

Northern Monkey

beauf wrote: »

Go look at one in a three shop. They are pretty massive these scooters.

Cheers, I didn’t realise they had display models in the 3 shop. Will have a look!

beauf

Blanch does. Dunno about the others. Theres also that bike shop I linked to earlier.

drunkmonkey

Garibaldi? wrote: »

What's the best way to carry a few belongings on these scooters?

There's a little messages hook you can get just ordered one EUR 2.62

cojomo2

3 have confirmed the warranty on these is a 2 year collect and return. Be mad to buy one from china based on that..pretty good deal.

antodeco

They €429 in a three store?

cojomo2

antodeco wrote: »

They €429 in a three store?

449 I think

cojomo2

cojomo2 wrote: »

449 I think

Was going to buy one this weekend..out of stock in all stores, no date for new stock..

drunkmonkey

cojomo2 wrote: »

Was going to buy one this weekend..out of stock in all stores, no date for new stock..

They are in stock I checked earlier, you just met the wrong person, can be bought in all 3 stores and delivered home to you.