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Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

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Prime Time are airing a special about transgender issues on Tuesday night at 21:35. I believe it mainly involves young people but will also show older people who have transitioned.
Graham Linehan is due to appear on this but a petition has being started to have him removed. There was an article on the matter on an Irish newspaper website but it has being removed.
Where do people stand on this matter?

Personally I can see both sides on the matter when it comes to kids/teenagers transitioning and how it may effect them in the long term since it's such a big change to make but I'm no expert on the matter.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/opposition-to-father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-being-on-tv-transgender-debate-skz8mp2rb

https://www.change.org/p/donogh-diamond-rte-to-remove-graham-linehan-piece-from-upcoming-prime-time-show-on-transgender-issues

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ceebee1981

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The original full article is behind a paywall but here is another report referencing it

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

“46 cases, sexual assault allegations were made about attacks in other areas such as in the pool, in a sports hall or corridors.”

We should just ban men and woman being in the same room at any time’ “It's all about opportunity”

ceadaoin.

ceebee1981 wrote: »

“46 cases, sexual assault allegations were made about attacks in other areas such as in the pool, in a sports hall or corridors.”

We should just ban men and woman being in the same room at any time’ “It's all about opportunity”

120 out of 134 took place in the actual unisex changing rooms, it's just what I said in my post. You questioned where I got the stats so I showed you and you focus on the fact that some assaults happened in corridors? Not really relevant to the point I was making about unisex facilities but ok then.

Sonic Youth

Women are being sold down the river in order to appease the transsexuals.

gmisk

Calhoun wrote: »

They as in the trans people on the program advocating for children as young as 12 to self identify and to remove psychiatrists from the equation. I wouldn't quite call them the child catcher but fairly predatory alright.

Adults can decide how they want to live its up to them to do what they want. I would think most have an issue with the Trans conversation wading into the area of children.

Now now trying to strawman, you must be mad.

That poster was talking about non binary people for a start not trans.
Look you get eejits from all walks of life, a few idiots should not lead to labelling an entire group.

I agree entirely on your 2nd paragraph, children should be let live their lives as they want without any external coercion and most definitely no one should be having surgery til they are an adult.

This thread is clearly going to turn into another one to bash!lgbt people like the one about some bloody child drag queen (which I like any gay person I have talked to agree is grotesque).

dhaughton99

Sonic Youth wrote: »

According to RTE 50 or so losers were protesting outside the studio.

And 48 of them were males looking to hook up.

ceebee1981

ceadaoin. wrote: »

120 out of 134 took place in the actual unisex changing rooms, it's just what I said in my post. You questioned where I got the stats so I showed you and you focus on the fact that some assaults happened in corridors? Ok then.

You also said It's all about opportunity, how far do you take that logic?

The report also doesn’t mention the sexes of the victims or the perpetrators.

gmisk

Sonic Youth wrote: »

I won't entertain a nut who thinks he's neither man nor woman.

What about a nut who thinks she's neither a man or a woman?
Why do you care so much? I doubt they would entertain you either, live and let live.
Just because you don't understand or relate to someone like that why would you dislike them so much or be so dismissive?

klaaaz

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Women are being sold down the river in order to appease the transsexuals.

What you on about, the objectors on the program had no problems with transexuals, they(like Linehan) have a problem with the self-id trans, those who have had no medical transition and retain their born genitalia.

Sonic Youth

klaaaz wrote: »

What you on about, the objectors on the program had no problems with transexuals, they(like Linehan) have a problem with the self-id trans, those who have had no medical transition and retain their born genitalia.

I'm taking about the article that was posted showing unisex facilities are more dangerous for women.

[Deleted User]

A very balanced and hugely informative Prime Time tonight - although I suspect praising an RTÉ programme is akin to a crime in the eyes of some.

Anyway, three things stood out.
First, the extraordinary number of teenage females who identify as male and how this is not replicated in the number of males who identify as female. Why? How is this explained?
Second, the high crossover between the number of people who are transgender and who also have autism. Never knew that. How is this explained?
Third, the very strong link between mental health issues and transgender people. I surmised that almost entirely based on the experience of one of my sibling's transgender children and the hell of pain and heartbreak the recurrent suicide watch and absence of mental health supports inflicted upon them for years. That absence of mental health supports for adolescents is the real scandal in all this, and that couple from Wexford personified the lives of so many parents trying to understand what's happening.

Far too many people here are caught up in bullshít about avoiding "pc" and trying to be "edgy" by "speaking the truth". And they miss the pain, suffering and loneliness of all those people who struggle to come to peace with their gender, never mind have their preferred gender accepted. I can honestly say I don't envy the lives/turmoil of any of the transgender people on that programme. I'd rather not put the boot in by demonising or dismissing their feelings. I'm sure the people who want to demean them could, if they had the balls, find stronger targets for their wrath. There but for the grace of God go we.

Sonic Youth

gmisk wrote: »

What about a nut who thinks she's neither a man or a woman?
Why do you care so much? I doubt they would entertain you either, live and let live.
Just because you don't understand or relate to someone like that why would you dislike them so much or be so dismissive?

Because he (it's always a man) is an attention seeking twat. I don't like people like that.

There's a 40 something man in America who 'identifies' as a little girl. He's a freak, the absolute state of him

How Soon Is Now

Ah I'm sure if we just ignore half of this stuff it will go away.

Give it few years the trans stuff will be overshadowed by some other out there bull****.

gmisk

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Because he (it's always a man) is an attention seeking twat. I don't like people like that.

There's a 40 something man in America who 'identifies' as a little girl. He's a freak, the absolute state of him

So your jealous of the attention? Maybe you need to chill out. Your lumping all non binary people together, do you think that is fair?

Signore Fancy Pants

Graham is right.

Sonic Youth

gmisk wrote: »

So your jealous of the attention? Maybe you need to chill out.

Yes that's right I'm jealous of a weirdo.

And there's no such thing as 'non-binary'. Male or female, that's it.

klaaaz

Sonic Youth wrote: »

I'm taking about the article that was posted showing unisex facilities are more dangerous for women.

What's that got to do with transsexuals who have medically transitioned? Those assaults were committed by men.

Sonic Youth

klaaaz wrote: »

What's that got to do with transsexuals who have medically transitioned? Those assaults were committed by men.

The article says unisex facilities are becoming more and more common so as to appease transsexuals

Here's a simple idea, have separate facilities for men and women.

Calhoun

gmisk wrote: »

That poster was talking about non binary people for a start not trans.
Look you get eejits from all walks of life, a few idiots should not lead to labelling an entire group.

I agree entirely on your 2nd paragraph, children should be let live their lives as they want without any external coercion and most definitely no one should be having surgery til they are an adult.

This thread is clearly going to turn into another one to bash!lgbt people like the one about some bloody child drag queen (which I like any gay person I have talked to agree is grotesque).

Listen the politics of the day are such that the transgressions of a small group reflect the bigger picture. We have Gillette basically having a go at men telling them not to be default rapists and to stand up for women. This was applauded by most of the mainstream media and people who are into social justice. Why is one group judged on a whole where as another is not?

The children aspect of this is the only thing i really care about, adults can be adults be who they want to be and out of genuine respect for people i will call them whatever they want. I start loosing my tolerance with the whole thing when it comes to the children and some of the crap we see oversees like the Canadian law on child welfare.

As for the drag queen, we have had 2 incidents in the past couple of weeks. A Canadian drag queen kid (10) appearing in a photoshoot with a naked man, and an American drag queen kid (11) appearing in a gay bar. Imagine for one second if both these incidents had been straight males would the reaction be the same in the media? There would have been at best universal condemnation at worst the lads involved would be flagged for child safety reason, instead what we see is promotion of it.

ceadaoin.

ceebee1981 wrote: »

You also said It's all about opportunity, how far do you take that logic?

The report also doesn’t mention the sexes of the victims or the perpetrators.

It's obvious that places where people are in a state of undress and that are unisex are at particular risk of attracting sexual predators. Those stats back it up.

It mentioned the sex of the victims, the headline says "unisex changing rooms put women at risk", so I'm going to assume the victims were female. Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure the majority of those perpetrators would have been male. Unless there has been an unprecedented surge in women commiting sex assaults and in unisex changing rooms in particular.

take everything

professore wrote: »

I thought it was good overall and Graham Linehan added some balance to it. Disappointed the promised debate never materialised.

Very interesting that there is an explosion in girls wanting to transition. Wonder why that is? I think mass hysteria could be a reason, or a backlash against the ridiculous Instagram culture that is almost exclusively the preserve of teenage girls. But I'm just spitballing here.

That was the one thing that I was surprised at as well.
Anyone know why there is such a big proportion of girls wanting to change gender.

Very Freudian (his penis envy stuff may not actually be rubbish).
It parallels the female empowerment stuff we get told about every day.

This is just me but I came away thinking what do the likes of my parents generation make of it all. Has the world gone nuts.

No issue if someone genuinely wants to transition (like the guy with the dog) but the idea that a large cohort of young girls want to transition baffles me. At first glance, that strikes me as a social phenomenon not purely biological.

donkeykong5

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

Graham is right.

So is heather.

ceadaoin.

klaaaz wrote: »

What's that got to do with transsexuals who have medically transitioned? Those assaults were committed by men.

I brought it up in response to this post

ceebee1981 wrote: »

Do you think the gender of a changing room or a toilet is currently stopping rapists?

Just to point out that more attacks occur in unisex facilities so clearly it does matter what the gender of the room is. Seperated by sex, or gender if you must, results in less incidents.

klaaaz

Sonic Youth wrote: »

The article says unisex facilities are becoming more and more common so as to appease transsexuals

Here's a simple idea, have separate facilities for men and women.

You misunderstood. Read it again, the poorly written article refers to transgender people in general, not specifically transsexual people as they are not mentioned. Fyi, transgender people include those who have not medically transitioned and those who have medically transitioned(transsexuals), quite a difference in the visual makeup of the human bodies there!

Brego888

Bit odd that Linehan should be on it. But he did speak the truth.

Sonic Youth

klaaaz wrote: »

You misunderstood. Read it again, the poorly written article refers to transgender people in general, not specifically transsexual people as they are not mentioned. Fyi, transgender people include those who have not medically transitioned and those who have medically transitioned(transsexuals), quite a difference in the visual makeup of the human bodies there!

I read it just fine. Unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for women. They're becoming more common to appease the transgender/transexual/transwhatever lobby.

I hope women can stand up to this rubbish.

ceadaoin.

klaaaz wrote: »

You misunderstood. Read it again, the poorly written article refers to transgender people in general, not specifically transsexual people as they are not mentioned. Fyi, transgender people include those who have not medically transitioned and those who have medically transitioned(transsexuals), quite a difference in the visual makeup of the human bodies there!

Hang on, I thought the term transsexual is offensive now?You'll even find people who call themselves transsexual on the receiving end of abuse from trans activists, and labelled "Tru scum" etc

klaaaz

Sonic Youth wrote: »

I read it just fine. Unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for women. They're becoming more common to appease the transgender/transexual/transwhatever lobby.

I hope women can stand up to this rubbish.

Yes, I agree about the dangers of unisex rooms.
The problem is your interpretation of what transgender actually is in reality, transsexuals are not the danger to women, they have the female body of their preferred gender. The likes of Linehan and a few here oppose those who have not medically transitioned being in women's spaces, that is those who retain male body parts.

klaaaz

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Hang on, I thought the term transsexual is offensive now?You'll even find people who call themselves transsexual on the receiving end of abuse from trans activists, and labelled "Tru scum" etc

Omg, that's kids(I call teenagers\young adults kids

) getting all SJW on their own community. Idiots who do not represent the transgender community, attention seekers having too much online access in other words !

James1888

In what way do you mean prepare to suspend reality, the madness in the whole LGBT agenda on minors? Or the scientific fact that your brain isn't fully developed until 25. This sickness is being brought in to primary schools starting in September, it part of the "inclusive ciriculam" of the new sex ed program. Its sickening to think the whole way through that crap rte ****show that was just on and all the questioning they done about why this was happening. 2 mins of research and you have your answer. Brainwashed by idiot so called liberal documentarys on youtube plus poor diets and health Inc mental health no exercise and underdeveloped brains = testosterone and estrogen levels all over the place and causing feminine men and masculine women. Eat some bloody steaks people

RabbleRouser2k

Didn't watch it, had other places to be-but did they talk to any psychologists or experts on gender dysphoria, or transitioning?

Like, Graham is just a writer-he's not a doctor, he's not a psychologist. He wrote bloody Fr Ted.

Did it mention how he worked so hard to get a trans charity called Mermaids from being given funding by the National Lottery (in the UK, not in Ireland)?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mermaids-trans-charity-children-big-lottery-fund-support-transphobia-graham-linehan-a8688701.html

He would have been the first one on the TV screaming his head off if someone had defunded an abortion charity-tweeting away at how disgraceful it is, draconian etc...
And yet here he was blocking folks from getting the much needed counselling they need.