Mad_maxx wrote: » It's lower everywhere bar the all important south east area, London is considerably more expensive than Dublin
evolving_doors wrote: » Oh the inhumanity of it all, some group in the public service earning more than another group. BTW nurses get paid during training 70% of starting salary in year 4. Then pretty much garunteed permanent full time job at the start (good for a mortgage... if outside major cities).Meanwhile a trainee teacher will be coughing up 12k for a 2 year course on top of a degree... and then goid chance of having to do the rounds on part time sub work for a number of years. So it's apples and oranges. Each case on its on merits seems fair to me.Unless of course you're going down the route of PUBLIC SERVICE CAUSED THE LAST RECESSION spin. No problem for the ministers breaking the public service agreement to pay their advisors over the cap!
markodaly wrote: » You can spin it whatever way you want but massive government spending incl benchmarking contributed massively to the back hole in our finances after the crash, which caused the Trokia to be called in, which prolonged the crash. Singular blame, no of course not absolutely a contributory factor.
Tell me how wrote: » A decent person most certainly will speak about wages when they are the head of a union which has just voted to go on strike because of wages. That's her job, that's why she is on the radio to discuss. I agree on train drivers but that isn't what this thread is about. The 47k you mention, does that include allowances they will get for the qualifications and allowances for positions they will likely be in as a result of their qualifications?
Dia1988 wrote: » Cop on girl, read back over the thread and you'll see the majority say that nurses pay is enough . What they will add is that the conditions should be better. Go back watching Eastenders
Dia1988 wrote: » Oh dear love, London is not a country! London is more expensive than Dublin. Perhaps nurses working and living in Dublin should get an allowance for living in an expensive city. That's what happens in the UK. We should cut the numbers of nurses being trained in Ireland and focus on recruiting Asian nurses who'll appreciate the pay and will work better than the Irish without the moaning. Play their bluff I say!
cute geoge wrote: » Nurses stop the doctors from killing???? In fairness nurses do a damn great job but do not have the responsibility of what drugs or actions to use in keeping anyone alive .A nurse can only do what their superior doctor prescribes .The buck stops with the doctor .I have never heard of nurses being sued in a negligence case
Shefwedfan wrote: » As I said google...everyone here it great at throwing numbers around, before throwing them out why don’t you actually check.... The pay of nurses is laid out, plain and simple. Even more alarming if you only do a single degree it is far less than that. That’s still a degree which a lot of people in Ireland in the public and private sector never got or never will get
road_high wrote: » Find nurses and their media conduct absolutely draining to listen to. They all go on with the same Mother Theresa act- “underpaid and over worked”- seems the actual stats tell quite a different story. If they all hate their jobs so much, why don’t go they go do something else? End quote ] That's what all the newly trained nurses ARE doing, that's the problem!!! [ quote = Even better still do not sign up to it in the first place. Not one of them ever seems to have a solution to the various A&E crises etc- that’s what most of us in our professions do, see challenges and come up with ideas to solve them. But with nurses it’s always someone’s fault or issue to deal with. They’re a perfect example of when you get too many females working in one area, very little gets achieved apart from becoming eternal martyrs and whining. For the amount we spend on healthcare salaries, serious analysis needs to be undertaken on value for money and what many of them are actually doing.
Padraig Mor wrote: » Average staff nurse pay in Ireland is €57k as referenced in a Dail committee in the last few weeks. This includes premium payments which add - according to the unions themselves - approx 25% to the salary of the average nurse. The number of nurses (if any) on the 'plain' scale with no extras is tiny. I always find it amusing that people contort themselves to deny the simple truth that nurses in Ireland are paid very well. Or do they think that the Dept of Health are lying? They work 13 hour shifts because they want to - guaranteed premium payments, plus 3 or 4 days a week off. If I could work 3 x 13 hour days rather than 5 x 8, I'd jump at the chance.
road_high wrote: » Find nurses and their media conduct absolutely draining to listen to. They all go on with the same Mother Theresa act- “underpaid and over worked”- seems the actual stats tell quite a different story. If they all hate their jobs so much, why don’t go they go do something else? Even better still do not sign up to it in the first place. Not one of them ever seems to have a solution to the various A&E crises etc- that’s what most of us in our professions do, see challenges and come up with ideas to solve them. But with nurses it’s always someone’s fault or issue to deal with. They’re a perfect example of when you get too many females working in one area, very little gets achieved apart from becoming eternal martyrs and whining. For the amount we spend on healthcare salaries, serious analysis needs to be undertaken on value for money and what many of them are actually doing.
Goldengirl wrote: » Very disingenuous to say this! Why do you think that a Dail committee would try to give accurate figures on this ? Nurse's pay is as stated from 24 to 45 k. Anything extra is for agreed night duty or weekend antisocial hours , and yes , if you work those type of hours continually you will get extra money, as deserved. In most cases depending on where they work this is not their choice to make and it is a case that they just have to do it as part of the job. I think as explained before an average is dependant on who you are including to make up the average. You would get an pretty amazing result on doctor's pay if you included all the consultants pay with more junior doctors...very misleading . A lot of nurses staffing Monday to Friday nursing jobs, with extra courses and qualifications, might get paid for one of these as a qualification allowance if deemed to be working in that area. However in reality , many others while obviously using these extra qualifications in their daily work, and experience, do not get paid for them. I know engineers and other professionals in the public service, get paid extra for every qualification, not nurses.
Tell me how wrote: » Why would the secretary of the INMO not dispute the 57K figure when it was put to her directly?
Lefty Bicek wrote: » Her gross figure is what, though ?
Goldengirl wrote: » After twenty years a nurse with two recognised full qualifications eg General, or Pschiatric or Paediatrics, can get paid €48, 982, as of Jan 18 . That's about 2 k more than a nurse with one qualification. Who, hoo, gravy train?? No ordinary nurses getting sums you lot are talking about.
Twenty Grand wrote: » You'd have to put it to her, but it's been debunked several times on this thread by nurses near the top of their scales posting payslips, articles in the paper, and by the salary scales themselves. It seems the only people earning that kind of money are directors and tutors. Even the nursing managers aren't on that as a basic wage. I know there's allowances on top, but again it's been show here that not all nurses are eligible for allowances. EDIT: Link here if you're interested: https://www.inmo.ie/Salary_Information
hmmm wrote: » No, because next we'll have the teachers, then the doctors, then the consultants, then the revenue staff, then the ESB, etc etc. Before you know it we'll have benchmarking mark 2. The public and civil service already earns far more than the private sector, and we pay enough tax as it is.
cute geoge wrote: » Is that the standard pay for a 9 -5 week ,how many hours per week? Is pension contribution subtracted from figure above ?
Tell me how wrote: » SMH It was put to her. Ivan Yates show on Tuesday evening last. She didn't debunk it. I'm paying more attention to that than an anonymous discussion board.
Mad_maxx wrote: » If nurses were on 150 k and looking for 250, most would instinctively support them. People can't accept that nurses are well paid, that should be the base point, they already are! Paying them more won't fix overcrowding, I understand conditions are unfavorable but how come workers only ever call for more money as a fix, could it be that it's patients who most suffer from these sub standard conditions?
Goldengirl wrote: After twenty years a nurse with two recognised full qualifications eg General, or Pschiatric or Paediatrics, can get paid €48, 982, as of Jan 18 . That's about 2 k more than a nurse with one qualification.
