J Mysterio wrote: » Only if they are arguing in good faith. Someone like Brendan ONeill does not argue in good faith: he is a lying bullshìt artist. That is why I say he should not be given a platform. It is not correct to say that equal time should be given to two positions when one is patently wrong. This is one of the traps the BBC fell into and one of the reasons there is so much misinformation and confusion RE Brexit, the EU etc. etc.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » It isn't gas. English liberal philosophy is very clear on the importance of checks and balances on executive power. What we have seen over the last few years is a forceful and concerted attempt by Brexiteers and their backers to undermine these checks and balances at any point their use has become necessary. So far we've had the media, Judges, the House of Lords and now the speaker of the House of Commons. If we had an opposition, I'd add that to the list. The Queen has stayed neutral which explains why she hasn't been in the firing line. These checks are supposed to prevent executive power being abused by despots. For the most part, they work well which seems to be the reason why the Conservative party is trying to consistently undermine them.
FreudianSlippers wrote: » MP on BBC News at the moment talking absolute sense - if the deal is blocked next week, TM needs to go back to the people and say "this is the deal - is this what you wanted, or would you prefer we stay with the deal we have, or crash out?" It's not a new referendum... it's informed consent by the people as to the deal/no deal scenario to clarify if this is actually what people want. If the people want the deal then Parliament should take the deal, etc.
Tell me how wrote: » The Brexiteers would argue that Alistair Campbell should not be advocating for a Peoples Vote for exactly the same reason. It is down to the person opposing the likes of O'Neill to call him on his nonsense. Too often we get single contributors from one side at a time whereas I think two contributors actually debating over 8-12 minutes is much better.
intellectual dosser wrote: » This ones really a disaster for May, she's clearly been running down the clock until MPs have to accept there is no other option than her deal. This vote and result keeps alive the delusion that another option will be made available three days after the vote.The reality is that Plan B is an A50 postponement.
Tell me how wrote: » Well, Katie Andrews does the newspaper review on Sky from time to time. I think they have to get air time, ideally with someone who can counter their points but think of what the 17.4M hear when they hear Brendan O'Neil speak. He made a point on Newstalk this morning that the experience in trying to leave the EU is evidence that just how controlling it is and therefore only right that countries who wish to be sovereign will want to leave. Middle of the road people looking to be convinced could well hear that and lean towards leaving. If he is denied a platform, it would embolden him as he could say "the fake news media want to silence me".
lawred2 wrote: » Stormont (sic DUP) veto on backstop!! Sure that's the negotiated withdrawal agreement in the bin again right?https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/stormont-would-have-veto-over-eu-rules-under-british-proposals-on-brexit-backstop-37696009.html apologies if already posted
If the backstop does come into effect, the British Government said the Stormont Assembly and Executive would then be given a strong oversight role in its operation. If the EU proposed changing any laws that impacted the operating of the backstop, the UK would have to consent to such a measure applying to Northern Ireland and the British Government has now committed to seek the agreement of the Assembly before signing off on any such change.
Enzokk wrote: » Government has lost another vote, the Grieve amendment has passed and if her deal is voted down she will have to present a new plan 3 days later.
Akrasia wrote: » It's gas. The May strategy of filibustering this through until there's no choice but to accept her deal has been countered and the Tories have nothing left but to whinge and complain about invalid procedure and that the HOC is biased against them.
hill16bhoy wrote: » People like O'Neill aren't on programmes to debate. They're there to propagandise and spew out lie after lie after lie. This draws "reactions" from viewers or listeners. It's another example of how free market economics doesn't work in media - lowest common denominator propaganda merchants will always draw the biggest reaction, purely because of the absurdity of what they say. The problem is that propaganda works on significant sections of the population.
Thomas_IV wrote: » That's the whole point but the Brits perspective on that is still their delusion that the EU needs them more than the UK needs the EU which is the main problem of the Brits themselves.
mrbrianj wrote: » Thats the whole problem. mainstream media outlets simplify issues into Black or White ? Good or Bad - when most things in life are more complex. Balance is found in the middle, the middle is not found in 2 opposing extremist shouting each other down. All it does is give the head bangers oxygen.
Strazdas wrote: » That's a complete lie though. There is no problem with the UK leaving but May wants to retain access to the Single Market. The UK could have left the EU at any point in the last two years......the arguments with the EU are not over leaving but over the UK demanding trade access post-Brexit.
Seth Brundle wrote: » Brendan O'Neill (he of Irish peasant descent) was interviewed on Newstalk this morning (~08:50). The bones of it were how the EU is a big bad bully and undemocratic and not being fair on the UK when compared to how much the UK has compromised whereas the EU hasn't compromised at all. Worst of all was that they were treated badly and called names by the nasty establishment. :rolleyes:https://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/5/50477/09th_January_2019_-_Newstalk_Breakfast_Part_2/ (last 20% of show)
Strazdas wrote: » I've no idea how this political extremist is being invited onto the likes of the BBC and Sky News as a commentator. What next.....Tommy Robinson or one of his mates doing the Sky Papers review?
Mancomb Seepgood wrote: » I came across this the other day regarding Brendan O'Neill's (and his Spiked/Revolutionary Communist Party colleagues) past support for dissident Republicans.I really wish that if outlets were giving this malignant clown a platform they'd carry a health warning about this,or the recently uncovered links between Spiked and the Koch brothers.
J Mysterio wrote: » Talk about being in contempt of Parliament... Cabinet ministers now advocating some other dirty tricks while Cooper and others wage a 'guerrilla' war against Brexit... "Theresa May is being urged to wield her powers as prime minister to ensure Brexit is forced through – regardless of whether there is a successful vote of no confidence against her government. "Brexiteer ministers have indicated that even if the no-confidence vote planned by Labour goes against her, it would be in her gift to set the date of an ensuing election after Brexit Day on March 29. "One cabinet minister backing the plan told The Independent it would mean Ms May could steer the country out of the EU with or without a deal before going to the polls in early April, adding: “The public are saying, ‘just f***ing get on with it’.”https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-confidence-vote-meaningful-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-a8718806.html
